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[DHK]

God tested Abraham. Abraham’s faith and actions were working together.

Abraham was saved by faith and faith alone. Salvation is the same in the OT, as it is in the NT--by faith alone.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
--You have a hard time believing this Scripture. Why the unbelief?

Do you really think that God is going to choose to save you if you are not sorry for your sins and you hate Him?

You choose to put words in my mouth that I never said, and sin against God?? Quote me where I said that!
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

You are wrong.

Am I?
Let a spoon fall to the floor. Now try to pick it up. NO, I said TRY to pick it, NOT to pick it up, BUT, TRY. You can't do it. You either pick it up or you don't.
That is the way it is with salvation. You don't try to get saved. You either get saved or you don't. You either trust him or you don't. You either obey him or you don't. There is no such thing as "trying."

You leave out many words of God when you teach others they do not have to do anything. It is also harmful.

NO, I don't. Salvation is by faith and faith alone. What do you think you can add to the precious blood of Jesus Christ? Did you pay a price higher than he did?

Acts 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

A favorite verse of the Calvinist. Yes, God knows the heart. It speaks of God's omniscience.

Acts 1:24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen

They were praying for God to choose for them one to take the place of Judas. God chose Matthias. What has that got to do with salvation--nothing!

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

The disciples were witnesses. Nothing to do with salvation.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

He is speaking to his disciples, not about salvation.

Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

DHK, what do you think those forceful men are getting forceful about?

The Great Commission. It is the duty of the apostles. It is not about salvation, or a person getting saved.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone. You need to understand this.
Abraham was saved by faith.

 

[Moriah]

Abraham was saved by faith and faith alone. Salvation is the same in the OT, as it is in the NT--by faith alone.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
--You have a hard time believing this Scripture. Why the unbelief?

You want to teach people that they do not have to do anything, which is wrong. There are people who have a hard time wanting to be saved and do not know how, and you are hindering them. There are people who believe and do not know why they do not feel as though they are saved, or feel that they do not know Jesus. People like you are hindering people from having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

You choose to put words in my mouth that I never said, and sin against God??
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

YOU SAID a person does not have to do anything but believe. You have even said that anything we do is as filthy rags! YOU SAID a person can go through life without stopping sin and still be saved.

Let a spoon fall to the floor. Now try to pick it up. NO, I said TRY to pick it, NOT to pick it up, BUT, TRY. You can't do it. You either pick it up or you don't.
That is the way it is with salvation. You don't try to get saved. You either get saved or you don't. You either trust him or you don't. You either obey him or you don't. There is no such thing as "trying."

Man’s wisdom is rubbish, and so is what you said about no one being able to try to stop sinning.

A favorite verse of the Calvinist. Yes, God knows the heart. It speaks of God's omniscience.
They were praying for God to choose for them one to take the place of Judas. God chose Matthias. What has that got to do with salvation--nothing!

That scripture disproves Calvinism.

[/B]He is speaking to his disciples, not about salvation.

He is speaking to his disciples about receiving the Holy Spirit!

God gives the Holy Spirit to those He accepts. If there is anyone who reads this and wants to be saved, or wants to help someone else be saved, tell them to get Jesus' teachings and obey them.

There are people who hang on to what their religion taught them no matter what. How sad and devastating that is.

 

[annsni]

God gives salvation to those He chooses. God chooses those who believe and are sorry for their sins and who want to be reconciled to Him more than they want anything else.
God can give the gift to whomever He wants to. If you gave a gift to someone, would you at least think they would want it and would cherish it?

Show me Scripture that says that God chooses based on who is sorry for their sins. I do believe that the Scriptures speak of God choosing us not because of what we have done but instead according to His mercy.

 

[annsni]

You say you are a child of God and you are going to love Him and please Him…however, some people here teach there is nothing we have to do, and that we are still saved. That is a false belief and a dangerous teaching. It could also be a hindrance for someone wanting Jesus to save them to tell them all they have to do is believe and not have to do anything else.

Hmm - I do believe that is what Scripture says!!

Acts 16:30-31 "Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

The "do" comes after that. Not to keep our salvation but as a result of a regenerated heart.

 

[Moriah]

Hmm - I do believe that is what Scripture says!!

Acts 16:30-31 "Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

The "do" comes after that. Not to keep our salvation but as a result of a regenerated heart.

Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house, see Acts 16:32.. What do you think they told the jailer and those in his house when Paul and Silas spoke the word to them? Do you think it was the message that saves? Do you think the message that saves says Jesus died for sinners, and that all who wants forgiveness of sins can have that through faith in his blood?
You need to think about James who said even the demons believe there is one God.

 

[Moriah]

Show me Scripture that says that God chooses based on who is sorry for their sins. I do believe that the Scriptures speak of God choosing us not because of what we have done but instead according to His mercy.

The scripture says, "God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us." Acts 15:8.

Did you read that? Do you believe it? God who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them.

How about this scripture, Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Did you read that? Do you accept it? God gave the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY him.

 

[Moriah]

God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will.

If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;

Does anyone want the scriptures for that?

 

[Moriah]

The thief on the cross did many things for Jesus to save him. He believed in Jesus. He humbled himself. He was sorry for his sins. He confessed.

Oh, and the thief feared God.

One more thing, the thief asked Jesus to save him.

 

[DHK]

The type of work that we do not have to do to for Jesus to save us is circumcision, external ceremonial washings, observance of special days, sin offerings, and sacrifices.

We do not have to do anything to be saved.
Salvation is by grace through faith and not of works.

Those things people had to do just to worship God.

Those things couldn't save anyone. Abraham was saved by faith and faith alone. (Rom.4:3)

We do not have to do those things anymore, but we still have to do what Jesus says.

We don't do anything to be saved.
Salvation is by grace through faith. It is not of works.
Your message of salvation is a false gospel.

We can admit sin and we can desire to stop. We can try to do all that we can to obey Jesus’ teachings. God who knows our hearts will give His Holy Spirit when He accepts us.

Then you have no assurance of salvation.
You said. ..."when he accepts us. But you have no assurance that He will.

You have no assurance do you?
How will you know when you have worked enough, strived enough, endured enough, to win the prize, to attain the crown that comes at the end of the race? It is only given to those that endure, that work, that strive? How will you ever know when you have done enough to enter into his kingdom? Or will you?
That is the question!

 

[DHK]

The scripture says, "God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us." Acts 15:8.

Did you read that? Do you believe it? God who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them.

How about this scripture, Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Did you read that? Do you accept it? God gave the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY him.

Where does it say they were sorry for their sins, and where does it say God accepts anyone on the basis of being sorry for their sins.

 

[Moriah]

Were you there?

The Bible tells us the thief feared God. He said to the other criminal “Don’t you fear God.” The thief humbled himself, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.” He confessed his sin, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.” He was sorry for his sins, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.” He believed in Jesus, he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” He called on Jesus to save him, when he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” See Luke 23:40-43.

The other thief just believed. He said, "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"

 

[DHK]

The Bible tells us the thief feared God. He said to the other criminal “Don’t you fear God.”

That was a rebuke to the other thief, not an admission of his own heart.

The thief humbled himself, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.”

He didn't humble himself. He was stripped naked, executed on a cross in public, with others mocking him. He was made a public spectacle. There was nothing left to be "humbled." He was as humiliated as one could ever be. He said, "We are punished justly." That has nothing to do with humbling oneself.

He confessed his sin, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.”

What sin did he confess? He said he was punished justly. He didn't confess a thing.

He was sorry for his sins, he said, “We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve.”

I don't see any sorrow in that statement.

He believed in Jesus, he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” He called on Jesus to save him, when he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” See Luke 23:40-43.

Yes, belief, faith, that is what he had when he called on Jesus.
That is the only thing that saves a person.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

The other thief just believed. He said, "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"

He did not believed and was thus condemned. That is the difference between belief and unbelief.
Salvation is by faith alone.

 

[Moriah]

That was a rebuke to the other thief, not an admission of his own heart.

He didn't humble himself. He was stripped naked, executed on a cross in public, with others mocking him. He was made a public spectacle. There was nothing left to be "humbled." He was as humiliated as one could ever be. He said, "We are punished justly." That has nothing to do with humbling oneself.

What sin did he confess? He said he was punished justly. He didn't confess a thing.

I don't see any sorrow in that statement.

Yes, belief, faith, that is what he had when he called on Jesus.
That is the only thing that saves a person.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

He did not believed and was thus condemned. That is the difference between belief and unbelief.
Salvation is by faith alone.

All you did was deny the Truth.
The other thief ONLY believed.
You said, “I don't see…” No, you do not.

 

[Moriah]

Where does it say they were sorry for their sins, and where does it say God accepts anyone on the basis of being sorry for their sins.

"If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14

"Today, if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart…" Psalm 95:7-8

"But, because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when His righteous judgement will be revealed." Romans 2:5

"…our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, Who gave Himself to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for Himself a people that are His very own, eager to do what is good." Titus 2:13-14

"The Lord is close to the broken hearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit." Psalm 34:18

"I live…with him who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the spirit of the contrite." Isaiah 57:15

"Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that He may lift you up in due time." 1 Peter 5:6

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. To everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened." Matthew 7:7-8

"You will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart."
Jeremiah 29:13

"But if from there you seek the Lord your God, you will find Him if you look for Him with all your heart and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 4:29

"…but now God commands all people everywhere to repent." Acts 17:30

"Repent then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, and times of refreshing may come from the Lord." Acts 3:19

"…unless you repent, you too will all perish." Luke 13:3

"Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him and to our God, for He will freely pardon." Isaiah 55:7

"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret."

"Because your heart was responsive and you humbled yourself before the Lord…because you tore your robes and wept in My presence, I have heard you, declares the Lord." 2 Kings 22:19

"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you." Matthew 6:14


I can hardly believe there are people who really think and teach that all we have to do is believe and not even repent of our sins.

 

[DHK]

All you did was deny the Truth.

The TRUTH is: Salvation is by faith alone, and not of works, a truth "you do not see."

Here is another post you cannot answer, and have not answered.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

And have you done that? What third world nations that have never heard the gospel have you been to? Did you sell everything you had to get there and then invest it in getting the gospel to them.

I await your answer Moriah. Have you obeyed Jesus in this matter. If you haven't you will not enter the kingdom of heaven, nor have treasure in heaven, according to your theology.

 

[Moriah]

The TRUTH is: Salvation is by faith alone, and not of works, a truth "you do not see."

Here is another post you cannot answer, and have not answered.

I have answered this question for you before, maybe a couple of times before in other threads. You do not retain what I tell you, because you only want to try to use this scripture against me, you do not want the truth.

I spoke the truth to you about the thief, but you only denied it. Now you will deny this truth too, but someone reading may benefit from it, so it is for them.

Tell me, do you think Jesus saving you is more important than anything on earth is? How do you know that? First, I am not rich in the worldly sense. I am not poor, but I am not as the rich man in the passage you want so much for me to discuss. We know that many famous actors and actresses are rich, and many business people, they live in mansions and have and do whatever they want.
I have been poor before, and I know that there is nothing more important than Jesus saving me is.

Jesus knew that rich man cherished his riches more than he cherished Jesus saving him. God was in the flesh in front of him, on earth, yet the man did not drop everything and forsake everything to follow Jesus! It is hard for the rich to be saved, because in their hearts, they would not give up all their great wealth and material possessions.

If you think Jesus wants us all to be broke and without any material objects, than you do not understand much.

1 Timothy 6:17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.

If we were all to have nothing, then these scriptures would not exist.

1 Timothy 6:18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.

2 Corinthians 12:14 Now I am ready to visit you for the third time, and I will not be a burden to you, because what I want is not your possessions but you. After all, children should not have to save up for their parents, but parents for their children.

Paul acknowledges that he is visiting people and he does not want their possessions, which also tells us that they have possessions! Paul also acknowledges that parents save up for their children. If no one is to have anything, then how can they save up for their children?

Proverbs 19:14 Houses and wealth are inherited from parents, but a prudent wife is from the LORD.

 

[Moriah]

Where does it say they were sorry for their sins, and where does it say God accepts anyone on the basis of being sorry for their sins.

DHK, this is too easy. Lol Here is another passage that tells us what to do to be saved.

James 4:7-10 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

 

[annsni]

Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house, see Acts 16:32.. What do you think they told the jailer and those in his house when Paul and Silas spoke the word to them? Do you think it was the message that saves? Do you think the message that saves says Jesus died for sinners, and that all who wants forgiveness of sins can have that through faith in his blood?
You need to think about James who said even the demons believe there is one God.

That is why the belief is different. I didn't just believe that there was a historic Jesus who died for sins. I put my faith in the God who saved me. It was not just a mental assent but a heart turned.

 

[annsni]

The scripture says, "God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us." Acts 15:8.

Did you read that? Do you believe it? God who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them.

How about this scripture, Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
Did you read that? Do you accept it? God gave the Holy Spirit to those who OBEY him.

Yes, God knows the heart that fully trusts in Him but I don't see anything about "they were sorry for their sins so God saved them".

Did you know that there are people in this world who are "religious" and do everything that God says - except to put their faith in Him? They obey every rule. Hey - there were those like that in Jesus' day too and He had quite a few harsh words to say to them.

 

[annsni]

All you did was deny the Truth.
The other thief ONLY believed.
You said, “I don't see…” No, you do not.

Do you know that with this post, you are questioning DHK's salvation? You say that he is denying the "Truth" - capital "T" - that is Jesus Christ. So you say that he is denying Jesus.

Then you say that he doesn't see - as if he were blind. A saved person is not blind.

You may want to watch your accusations.