Mental illness and the Baptist Chuch

[Steadfast Fred]

Well Steadfast, why don't you get yourself down to the local mental hospital and start casting out demons. You are a Christian right? Didn't God give us the ability to cast out demons? Go help these poor forsaken possessed folk. But until you do, until you find some specific spiritual critria for identifying a person possessed of a demon, don't criticize those of us who chose the route of medication, 'K?

If you think God gave us ability to cast out demons, why aren't you casting them out?

 

[Arbo]

The answer is in the bible, try it for once instead of making up your own religion.

All I can say is "Wow".

 

[seekingthetruth]

Sadly, the prejudices that I spoke of in the OP haved reared their ugly head in this thread.

Most of you would be suprised how common this is, even inside the church family.

Fred, I can assure you that demons are not haunting me and causing me to be sick. My mental illness has a physical reason behind it. If your body doesnt produce enough insulin, you have diabetes. My brain doesnt retain enough of the minerals it needs to function properly, so i take a mineral supplement (lithium) and it makes all the difference in the world.

Do you really think that babies are born everyday with bad kidneys, bad lungs, bad liver, ect.....but everybodies brain is perfect?

And FAL, I hope you read the whole thread. You accused me of seeking "special treatment" in the OP. You are completely wrong. What I am seeking in this thread is to be treated just like everybody else, and not like i have leprosy.

Sadly, Fred and FAL proved the point I made in the OP, being that many Christians are uneducated and insensitive to people with mental illnesses. All i can do is pray that they never fall ill mentally.

John

 

[freeatlast]

Mind altering drugs alter the mind so that the person does not have the capability to think for himself or herself.

Take away those drugs and the demons will become active once again.

Fred I have argued this for years but usually get the same results you are getting. I think you are wasting your time as this takes those who have ears to hear. No amount of evidence can convince those who have made up their minds to the contrary.

 

[freeatlast]

Demons are not affected by drugs. Again, you are speaking out of ignorance, not experience.

Ann you are correct that drugs do not effect demons directly however they, demons, cannot use a person who is being controled by drugs thta limit their motor and brain functions. The drugs limit what the body and mind of the person can do so the end result is same. We are drugging ourselves to keep from dealing with our sin as well as in some cases to keep from dealing with demonic influence and even possession.
I really hope you all will watch the video that Fred mentioned with an open mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nbZCNDgbY

I do agree that not everyone who has what is being deemed as mental illness is becauase of a demon. Some just refuse to deal with their sin and use the drug to supress themselves and their actions, but thye never find real peace from their problem because to problem is only covered up, not corrected.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Brother, you are the only one who has brought up the term "chemical imbalance". I don't think I mentioned that.

I don't know what's going on in the brain of all the people in my circle who have been diagnosed with a mental illness. I personally know less than a dozen. I just know that in most of the cases of people that I know personally, the medications do help somewhat in controlling impulses and reining in improper behavior.

There's so much we don't know. But I just can't dismiss meds altogether when I've seen it work. And I just can't dismiss the concept that something can be wrong with the mind that has nothing to do with sin - because I have been witness to it.

Exactly :thumbs:

 

[Arbo]

Brother, you are the only one who has brought up the term "chemical imbalance". I don't think I mentioned that.

I don't know what's going on in the brain of all the people in my circle who have been diagnosed with a mental illness. I personally know less than a dozen. I just know that in most of the cases of people that I know personally, the medications do help somewhat in controlling impulses and reining in improper behavior.

There's so much we don't know. But I just can't dismiss meds altogether when I've seen it work. And I just can't dismiss the concept that something can be wrong with the mind that has nothing to do with sin - because I have been witness to it.

Also :thumbs:.

This has been my observation as well.

It's been said that the brain is man's most complicated and non-understood organ. If the heart, kidneys, liver, or any other organ can malfunction; it seems unreasonable to expect the brain not to be susceptible to the same.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Ann you are correct that drugs do not effect demons directly however they, demons, cannot use a person who is being controled by drugs thta limit their motor and brain functions. The drugs limit what the body and mind of the person can do so the end result is same. We are drugging ourselves to keep from dealing with our sin as well as in some cases to keep from dealing with demonic influence and even possession.
I really hope you all will watch the video that Fred mentioned with an open mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1nbZCNDgbY

I do agree that not everyone who has what is being deemed as mental illness is becauase of a demon. Some just refuse to deal with their sin and use the drug to supress themselves and their actions, but thye never find real peace from their problem because to problem is only covered up, not corrected.

Excuse me FAL? I don't take any drug that limits my mind or motor skills. My medication does not "drug" me at all. It is simply a mineral that replaces the missing minerals in my brain.

I DON"T get high or sedated.

John

 

[annsni]

Ann you are correct that drugs do not effect demons directly however they, demons, cannot use a person who is being controled by drugs thta limit their motor and brain functions.

Can you give me evidence of this? Because I have seen people who have been possessed who were on drugs and the demons still had their way. It wasn't until the demons were cast out that the drugs actually worked.

 

[jaigner]

LOL - Interestingly enough, taking this medicine makes me able to be fruitful and multiply. It's a diabetic medication (metformin)!! Had major infertility before I started taking it and now? Let's just say their names are Robby and Joanna. :saint:

Those children were born out of sin. You shouldn't screw around with God's punishment.

What a crock.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Those children were born out of sin. You shouldn't screw around with God's punishment.

What a crock.

Are you being serious?

John

 

[freeatlast]

Excuse me FAL? I don't take any drug that limits my mind or motor skills. My medication does not "drug" me at all. It is simply a mineral that replaces the missing minerals in my brain.

I DON"T get high or sedated.

John

Then I assume you do not need a prescription as it must be a health care thing, correct? If not it is a drug and just because you do not get high does not mean it is not a drug. A drug is anything taken into the body to alter how it is working.

 

[freeatlast]

Can you give me evidence of this? Because I have seen people who have been possessed who were on drugs and the demons still had their way. It wasn't until the demons were cast out that the drugs actually worked.

Ann prove that you have seen a demon cast out.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Then I assume you do not need a prescription as it must be a health care thing, correct? If not it is a drug and just because you do not get high does not mean it is not a drug. A drug is anything taken into the body to alter how it is working.

Yes, it is a drug, and it needs a prescription because if a person takes it that doesnt need it, it will reak havoc on your nervous system. If I didnt need it, it would make me sick.

i didnt say it wasnt a drug, i said it didnt 'drug" me as in get me high or sedate me.

But it wouldnt stop a demon.

John

 

[freeatlast]

Yes, it is a drug, and it needs a prescription because if a person takes it that doesnt need it, it will reak havoc on your nervous system. If I didnt need it, it would make me sick.

i didnt say it wasnt a drug, i said it didnt 'drug" me as in get me high or sedate me.

But it wouldnt stop a demon.

John

I did not say you had a demon. Some people use drugs to keep from dealing with reality and their personal sins. I don’t believe it is impossible for people taking these things to deal with the problems they are claiming. I think they just take the easy way out and cover the problem.

 

[annsni]

Are you being serious?

John

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he was being facetious. It helps if smilies are there but I'll still go with my assumption unless he says I'm wrong.

 

[annsni]

Ann prove that you have seen a demon cast out.

And how would I do that?

 

[menageriekeeper]

Don't rise to the bait Ann. FAL is essentially calling you a liar: either prove your words or they must be false.

I may just have to use the ignore feature here for the first time in all my years on the BB.

 

[annsni]

Don't rise to the bait Ann. FAL is essentially calling you a liar: either prove your words or they must be false.

I may just have to use the ignore feature here for the first time in all my years on the BB.

LOL - Even if I had a video of it happening, he'd still have some reason to say that I was lying. No worries. I laugh at people like that. LOL

 

[seekingthetruth]

I did not say you had a demon. Some people use drugs to keep from dealing with reality and their personal sins. I don’t believe it is impossible for people taking these things to deal with the problems they are claiming. I think they just take the easy way out and cover the problem.

Have you ever been sick?

What personal sin of yours caused that sickness?

Ever had a loved die from cancer?

My Mom and Dad both died of cancer, and by your logic, they must have both been just terrible sinners.

John