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i will answer this as I always have!

My view is that while the calvinist system explains best what happened in the salvation process, that others views are acceptable and can be held...

As long as the Non cal has not gone into whole Pel theology, or doesn't think they are even sinners, nor need god to do ANYTHING to save them , would say that it is in house debate between 2 christians!

 

Here is my problem with this statement....has anyone in fact, explored what "Pel" himself believed and from his own words....or has that term only been invented by detractors....there is very little (to date) known about what he believed....by most or all on this board, and I daresay, few have read it. Personally, his largest known work (commentary on Romans) has only been available in English for a decade or so, it was only found about 30 years ago, and was only available in other languages...it is incredibly hard to find in English. Let the man speak for himself.....then consign him to hell yes?

 

Would it be that it is simply an argument about the color of the carpet or whether to use bread or matzo for the Lord's Supper. When the truth of God's Word is at stake it is worth contending for. What happens, all too often, is that the people involved become the subject of the debate, not the positions they hold. There are times when the person(s) are truly not ready to debate an issue. When it comes to eschatology (study of last days) I usually beg out of the discussion. My theology is in too much flux in that area and I would only be adding to the confusion if I jumped into a debate.

 

he denied that Man was a sinner, that the fall affected us, and that man being still basically good would freely decide to get saved or not!

pretty much heresy 101 in regagrding salvation, and BOTH cals/arms would affirm that!

 

Please quote him saying that in his own words then....If you fail to, (as I happen to know you will) Then cease being the false accuser that you are.

 

IF we can agree that both sides on this believe in jesus of the Bible, saved by faith in him by the act of the grace of God, would have a starting point to dialog!

 

But that is your opinion. You have expressed it. Does not Iconoclast have the right to express his? Why is it that certain people on here, feel as if they are the only ones that are allowed to draw the line between simple disagreement, and outright heresy?

This is not just a question of foreknowledge. This is a question of the degree of grace which God extends, and the extent of the atonement which Christ provided.

 

BRAVO .... well said!!!:thumbs:

 

It is not possible to unify when cals are arguing that non cals do not worship the same God. Why do you not address that post?

 

Are you familiar with how they make Scotch Whisky? Do you know the difference between Blended Scotch & Scotch from one Distillery (Single Malt Whisky)

When I drink whisky, I prefer Single Malt. Finest Barley with peat flavor & from one master distiller then aged to perfection.

Do you now understand the analogy?

 

Not a whisky drinker, so I am still a bit uncertain, but I think you must mean you like homogeneous churches rather than heterogeneous.

 

Don't understand the analogy myself either....but, as far as the Godly righteousness of a pure "single-malt" is concerned......agreed whole-heartedly! Our Saviour would have touched nothing else. My contention is that Glenlivet....for it's price....is the smoothest and best single-malt on the market. Blendeds suck.

 

OHHH.......you have much to learn young padawan...We teach you :jesus:

 

:laugh:Still, try The Balvenie PortWood 21 Year Old.....if you can find it in a bar but dont buy it as its over $125.00 per bottle. Note that the substance (barley) & the brew are all, as you say homogeneous {of one substance} but it is aged for 21 years in a Port Wood Cask. This adds a very different element to the brew that most other "Whiskey" does not have..... I hope you take my meaning. If I have a drink of this quality, it is always after a good meal & limited to a grand occasion.

Beer is quite another issue (that I am passionate about)! :love2:

 

Bass Ale, Guinness Draught and Carlsberg are my favorites.

 

Calvinism to whisky in one thread...:laugh:

Oh...I prefer vino.:wavey:

 

There is nothing wrong with that selection

 

What no mead! at least we share our love of dogs:smilewinkgrin: