Featured The Corporate View of Election

When God choose His Redeemer, His Lamb, before the foundation of the world, He also chose corporately those who would be redeemed. Hence, everyone was corporately elected before the foundation of the world. So the issue is, were we also chosen individually before the foundation of the world. Calvinists say yes, and nullify 2 Thessalonians 2:13 which says we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth from the beginning or after creation.

Some Arminians believe in corporate election by God but avoid discussing how we become "incorporated into Christ." I have asked the question my times and each and every Arminian as declined to answer. Not much of a defense!

 

Sometimes to communicate regular ideas takes words,sentences and questions.
Any philosophy I use will come from a biblical base...not from secular philosophy, debate rules, tactics. I have explained it before but you are not looking for an answer ...just to attack...I understand:wavey:

I never learned to type correctly,so shoot me.:laugh:

Do not sweat the small stuff, you are now looking as if you are misunderstanding romans 1 as well as Romans 5. Romans is not a good book for you webdog.:thumbsup:

Not only is that a wrong idea about Romans 1[Paul is showing why all are condemned]....the fact that God confounded the languages at the tower of Babel indicates he was not intending to save many at that time.


AMYG

Correct again....God elects individuals;
Out of national Israel [an elect remnant]
Out of the world now [all Jesus intended to save]

 

Thank you 12 strings :thumbsup:... for your imput...I am hoping to learn a lot on this thread. :wavey:

 

They "COULD" become a proselyte, but this doesnt' mean every gentile even knew that the Jewish God was the true God. Just like to day, some never hear about Christ. Sounds like God has "elected" that they remain in ignorance.

 

The point is that God ONLY had a Covenant relationship with isreal among ALL nations on earth, and that His corporate election was towards them, but still had to be an individual election, as not ALL isreal was included in TRUE Isreal!

Spiritual jews were those who were saved out by grace of god, while rest were not part of the Covenant!

 

Interesting how you are so willing to accept at face value that document, yet would not accept the other confessions of the faith thru the years, as those were cal!

regardless of ANY document/confession/creeed, its what the BIBLE teaches, and the taching is that the Lord ALWAYS saved persons on an individual elective basis!

Did jesus die to atone for the sins of people, or for the coporate plan?

 

Rather He "allowed" them to remain in ignorance regardless of the truths they had and exchanged for a lie. If He elected them to remain in ignorance, He is the direct cause of their disobedience to which He commands. A house divided cannot stand.

 

But the question is why did he not "ALLOW" all men to remain in ignorance...why did he not allow the Israelites also to remain in ignorance? Was it purely in response to their faith?

 

The very thing your side denies...free agency of the individual.

 

Guess it hinges on how one defines "free will", as my bible states that a sinner cannot even seek after the Lord unless God intervenes first to assist him!

 

I Didn't even use the term free will. I said free agency, that being two tangible choices exist and the agent is free to choose. Acts 17:26-27 tells us how the "assisting" happens and to whom.