Dead Faith as taught by the Apostle James

[Moriah]

Find one single statement in John 3:1-16 that anything Jesus said to Nicodemus was for the future OR that Nicodemus understood anything said to him was yet FUTURE????

You cannot find such in this context. *********EDIT*****- (Heb. 13:20) which was preached by all the prophets BEFORE the cross and by which they did receive remission of sins when they believed in it (Acts 10:43; Rom. 3:25).

*************EDIT***********Edit for personal attacks.

****EDIT**** the text says no such thing!

Jesus was prophesied about throughout the whole Bible. God spoke a lot about a time when He will put His Spirit in people.

 

[Moriah]

Regardless IF Jesus spoke to the jews only, is n't the point that BOTh jews/gentiles have same sin problem before God, and dealt with same way in salvation by God?

Therefore, you want to disregard the Word of God who said he came FIRST FOR THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL.

 

[The Biblicist]

Some had great faith

That is not what Jesus said. Of the centurian he said he had not found so great of faith in Israel.

I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

but that does not mean they could be grafted in until Jesus was lifted up. Do not add to God’s word.

So you interpret the "natural" olive tree in Romans 11 to be "salvation"? Correct? Thus according to your interpretation no one prior to the cross could be grafted into "salvation." What is the only other option to salvation? So all those listed in Hebrews 11 are unbelievers in hell or God has another plan of salvation prior to the cross? Which is it?

Prior to the Cross Jesus denied there is more than ONE WAY to heaven - Mt. 7:13-14.

Prior to the Cross Jesus denied that ANY MAN could come to the Father any other way but through him - Jn. 14:6

AFTER the cross Peter stated that all prophets and thus all old Testament people of faith had their sins remitted by faith in Christ - Acts 10:43

The natural "olive tree" does not represent "salvation" but represents the PROVIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITY for inclusion to the PRIVILEGES that God provided Adam through the line of Seth up to Abraham which then were specifically given PRIMARILY but not exclusively to Israel as some gentiles would be saved all along up to the time of the Great Commission and then given to primarily Gentile nations but not exclusively as Jews would be saved all along. The "privileges" did not guarantee salvation to any individual within the selected privileged group but gave them advantage over other peoples but that advantage could be taken away from them and those it was previously taken from could be grafted back in "AGAIN" into those same privileges. This is the advantage described in Romans 3:1-2 and Romans 9:5. However, some of these advantages could not be transferred to the Gentiles as some were already fulfilled. However, the PROFESSING KINGDOM PRIVILEGES could be transferred to others (Mt. 21:43).

If you insist the "natural" tree represents salvation then there would be no salvation for Adam to Jacob or for any gentile between Jacob and the cross and the facts of scripture prove that is completely and entirely false - Acts 10:43; Heb. 11-12:1,23; Heb. 4:2; Rom. 3:25; etc.

Do you know what it means many will come and take their places? Does that mean it was happening at that second? No.

Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, “I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Israel was in the POSITION of privilege CURRENTLY but if that CURRENT Israel rejected Christ as their Messiah they would not only reject the only way of salvation but their PRIVILEGED POSITION would be taken away from them and given to the Gentile nations. Those CURRENT rejectors would not enter the future kingdom of God but would be replaced by those who received Christ as did ALL the Old Testament Prophets from Abel to Zechariah - Acts 10:43

 

[DHK]

John wrote about Jesus Christ. How do you think that John 3:16 says Jesus did not come first for the Jews? Go ahead try to answer that question.

The purpose of Matthew: Writing to a Jewish audience he presents Christ as Messiah, King of the Jews.
The purpose of Mark: Writing to Romans, he presents Christ as a servant.
The purpose of Luke: Writing to Greeks, he presents Christ as the perfect man .
The purpose of John: Writing to the world, he presents Christ as God.

His audience was the world in general. Unlike Matthew, who was proving to the Jews that Christ was indeed the Messiah, John's audience was the world, both Jew and Gentile, to show to all that Christ was God. John 3:16 is applicable to all, not just to the Jews, even though he was speaking to Nicodemus.

Even Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, often said that he came to the Jew first and also to the Greek (Rom.1:16). That doesn't mean that the Gentiles were neglected.

You have no idea about the truth I am speaking.

You are not speaking truth; you are speaking nonsense; misinterpreting the Word of God. Take a class in hermeneutics.

That was first for the Jew, then all men after Jesus was lifted up.

The Roman centurion, The Syrophoenician woman, the disciples themselves, were not saved until after the resurrection, or even after his death?? That is pure nonsense, and shows how you misinterpret the Bible.

Do you understand what first means? Does it mean forever the only ones? No. Did I ever say ‘first and only’? No. Why can you not fathom that first does not mean there will not be others? I have tried to explain this to you many times over the months that I have been here. What is blocking you from comprehending such common sense thinking about being first? If you only have one child and will have no more, do you introduce him or her as your first child? Does not the word ‘first’ conjure up the thought that there will be a second?

The verse says: "I am the door, by me if any man he shall be saved."
It doesn't specify who shall be saved. He says any man which includes both Jews and Gentiles. The same is true with John 3:16. "Whosoever believes in him shall not perish..." The "whosoever," the "any man" refers to any person whether Jew or Gentile. There were many Gentiles in the gospels that took the words of Jesus and were saved before the death of Jesus.
I comprehend the Word of God; you do not.

The Jews were first, and not just any and all the Jews, only the Jews who believed in God before Jesus came. This is about Jesus coming first for the lost sheep. Again, not all the Jews were considered the lost sheep of Israel.

This is false. There were many Gentiles that were saved. Anyone who believed in faith that Christ was the Messiah. There were many. Why can't you believe this? A Roman soldier believed, whose daughter was sick.

Why is the truth about this blocked from you? Is it something against the Jews being first that you cannot accept? Are you jealous? Was your nationality of people like the Jews who had the works of the law? Go read Leviticus and about all the offerings one had to do just to worship God. Read about all the rules and regulations. Did your nation of people the Gentiles do any of these works, can you even comprehend having to give Burnt Offerings; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Burnt Offering; the Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; The Drink Offerings. Did your people observe the Feasts and Festivals? A seven day festival of Unleavened Bread; the festival of Harvest; the festival of Ingathering; the weekly sabbath (Lev 23:1-4) and seven annual feast days: Passover (7 days, incl. unleavened bread), First fruits, Pentecost or Weeks, the New Year, the Day of Atonement, the first day of Booths, and the eighth day of Booths (Lev 23:5-44)?

These offerings had nothing to do with salvation.
Jesus said very plainly:
I am the way the truth and the life; no man comes unto the Father but by me.
It is apparent you do not believe this verse.

What do you not get about the Jews were God’s people through the works of the law?

Are you a Calvinist? What do you not get that Whosoever means whosoever.

This is what Jesus said first for the Jew then to all men.

It is also what Paul said. But that did not exclude him from going to the Gentiles. Explain Romans 1:16

I do no such thing. You just do not understand.

It is not me that does not understand.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

Matthew 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs

Romans 2:10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Romans 2:9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.[/QUOTE]
What do these verses prove but that both Jews and Gentiles were given the gospel. What do you not understand about this?

 

[Moriah]

If anyone reads what I say, and still does not believe, then pray about it and study more. However, whoever reads what DHK and Biblicists says and believes it, then so be it.

The maligning of the Way, the rejection of the Truth, the verbal abuse, and no encouragement from anyone is not a good place to stay in.

I really have doubts if anyone has benefited from my postings.

I do not think I will come back.

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus was prophesied about throughout the whole Bible. God spoke a lot about a time when He will put His Spirit in people.

How did that deal with their present sin? Even Hebrews 10:1-4 denies that the ceremonial law dealt with the current sin of the Jews?

The only conclusion is Acts 10:43 and Hebrews 4:2 that their sins were fully remitted at the point of faith in the coming of Christ. Their sins were remitted and righeous was imputed "by faith" then and there they were fully justified by faith and this is precisely what Paul claims in Romans 3:25-26 as well as in Romans 4 and Galatians 3:6-17.

Your theory has NO CURRENT solution for their sin, no current basis for their justificaiton which Romans 4:11 says Abraham already "HAD" prevous to circumcision. You have no explanation of how he "HAD" justification then and there and Abraham was a GENTILE or a CHALDEAN by birth and NEVER A JEW because even his circumcision occured AFTER he "HAD" already been justified by faith.

 

[DHK]

If anyone reads what I say, and still does not believe, then pray about it and study more. However, whoever reads what DHK and Biblicists says and believes it, then so be it.

This is what the Mormons tell me when they leave my door. Either "Why don't you pray with me," or "Let's consider these things and pray about them."
Is there a need to pray about those things that are contrary to Scripture?

 

[DHK]

If anyone reads what I say, and still does not believe, then pray about it and study more. However, whoever reads what DHK and Biblicists says and believes it, then so be it.

The maligning of the Way, the rejection of the Truth, the verbal abuse, and no encouragement from anyone is not a good place to stay in.

I really have doubts if anyone has benefited from my postings.

I do not think I will come back.

Now, seriously, consider what you have said just to me in your last post:

You have no idea about the truth I am speaking.

Do you understand what first means? Does it mean forever the only ones? No. Did I ever say ‘first and only’? No. Why can you not fathom that first does not mean there will not be others?

What is blocking you from comprehending such common sense thinking

Why is the truth about this blocked from you?

Is it something against the Jews being first that you cannot accept? Are you jealous? Was your nationality of people like the Jews who had the works of the law? (Racism, Moriah)

Did your nation of people the Gentiles do any of these works, can you even comprehend having to give Burnt Offerings

I do no such thing. You just do not understand.

You have given us your persecution complex that everyone is against you and posts bad things against you, but in reality the opposite is true. In one post these are the answers that you have given--nasty, demeaning, personal attacks that don't even attempt to answer the post. It is not debate. It is attack the person. And yet you claim that you are the one that is attacked.
What else can one do? It is the same thing over and over again.
:sleep:

 

[Moriah]

I gave you many scriptures saying the Jews were first, but you cannot bring yourself to say it. Why do you hate the Word of God? I could not care less about the lies you say here about me, but about the Word of God, you will have to answer to God.

Come on; say Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel, the Jews.

It is the Word of God.
Why can you not say it? Why can you not say Jesus came first for the Jew?
Do not even try to interpret, just repeat aloud.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

Matthew 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

DHK, read this one aloud. It is about God's servant. What did God's servant do? GOD SENT HIM FIRST TO YOU. It is about the Jews. Come on say it. Repeat the word of God.

Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."

Say, "We now turn to the Gentiles."

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

Romans 15:8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs

Repeat, "First for the Jew."

Romans 2:10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

Again, repeat aloud, "First for the Jew, then for the Gentile."

Romans 2:9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Romans 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

 

[Moriah]

No matter what you two keep saying, God’s people were the Jews, and the Gentiles were not. Read these scriptures, it is Paul quoting the Old Testament, in the Old Testament times when the Gentiles WERE NOT GOD"S PEOPLE. THEY WERE NOT GOD'S LOVED ONE.


25 As he says in Hosea:

“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”

26 and,

“In the very place where it was said to them,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”

27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
only the remnant will be saved.
28 For the Lord will carry out
his sentence on earth with speed and finality.”

29 It is just as Isaiah said previously:

“Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us descendants,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.”

 

[Moriah]

Romans 1:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.


The Jews were God’s people, not the Gentiles.

 

[Moriah]

Romans 1:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.

Did who stumble? THE JEWS STUMBLED.

Because of the Jews transgression, SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES.

IF SALVATION WAS ALWAYS WITH THE GENTILES, AS DHK AND BIBLICIST CLAIM, THEN WHY DOES THE WORD OF GOD EXPLAIN TO US THAT SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES AFTER THE TRANSGRESSION OF ISRAEL?


12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! 13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

 

[DHK]

IF SALVATION WAS ALWAYS WITH THE GENTILES, AS DHK AND BIBLICIST CLAIM, THEN WHY DOES THE WORD OF GOD EXPLAIN TO US THAT SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES AFTER THE TRANSGRESSION OF ISRAEL?

Did salvation come to the Ninevites via Jonah?
Did salvation come to Ruth the Moabitess?
Did salvation come to Rahab, a Canaanite?
Did salvation come to Noah?

Did salvation come to the Syrophoenician woman?
Did salvation come to the Samaritan woman?
Did salvation come to the many Samaritans after the Samaritan woman testified of Christ?
Did salvation come to the Roman centurion?

And there are countless of others not mentioned.
If salvation was only to the Jews, why was salvation offered and accepted to so many Gentiles outside of Israel?

 

[Moriah]

This is what the Mormons tell me when they leave my door. Either "Why don't you pray with me," or "Let's consider these things and pray about them."
Is there a need to pray about those things that are contrary to Scripture?

Readers,

Just listen to DHK. He hears the Mormons tell him to pray with him, or let us consider these things and pray about them, so he now thinks when someone says to pray and consider, that it means they are in a false religion. If that is not an example of not having understanding, then what is?

JESUS SAYS, “ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” Matthew 5:44

JESUS SAYS, “"Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more. Mark 4:24

I repeat what Jesus says, and DHK thinks of Mormons. Why do I even bother?

 

[Moriah]

Did salvation come to the Ninevites via Jonah? The Ninevites were not God's people. The Bible does not say they were.
Did salvation come to Ruth the Moabitess? Ruth married a Jew and became as a Jew.
Did salvation come to Rahab, a Canaanite? Rahab became as a Jew, and there is belief that she was married to Salmon, and he is a Jew.
Did salvation come to Noah? Noah was the only righteous man. He obeyed God. The other Gentiles did not obey God. Later, when the the covenant of circumcision was given, the Gentiles were not circumcised. Later when the works of the law were given, the Gentiles did not follow any of the works of the law. WE HAVE TO BELIEVE AND OBEY GOD TO BELONG TO HIM.

Did salvation come to the Syrophoenician woman? The Bible does not say she was saved yet. The Bible says because of her faith, HER DAUGHTER WAS HEALED.
Did salvation come to the Samaritan woman? Jesus had mercy on people whom he did NOT YET COME TO SAVE.
Did salvation come to the many Samaritans after the Samaritan woman testified of Christ?
Did salvation come to the Roman centurion? The Bible said the Roman's servant was HEALED because of his faith. The Bible does not say he was saved yet.

And there are countless of others not mentioned.NO, there is not countless others. God is a merciful God. Jesus came first for the Jews, but that does not mean he just walked away from those who believed in him and pleaded with him. You have no understanding.

If salvation was only to the Jews, why was salvation offered and accepted to so many Gentiles outside of Israel?

I repeat the Word of God, and you keep going against the Word of God.

 

[Moriah]

DHK,

Noah believed in God right?

Noah was before the works of the law right?

Noah was before circumcision right?

How was it that only Noah and his family saved?

I will tell you how, because he believed in God and obeyed.

Abraham believed in God right?

Abraham came before the law right?

Abraham was before circumcision right?

Did Abraham still have to be circumcised?

YES, Abraham still had to be circumcised, even though he had faith in God.

Moses believed in God right?

Moses came after circumcision, but he believed in God, did he still have to be circumcised, did he have to circumcise his son?

YES, Moses believed in God and STILL had to obey and circumcise even his son.

GOD WAS GOING TO KILL MOSES FOR NOT CIRCUMCISING HIS SON.

Why would God kill Moses, a man who believed in Him, just for not circumcising his son?

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BELIEVE AND OBEY GOD.

Did the Gentiles believe in God?

There probably were some Gentiles who heard of God and believed in Him.

Were they God’s people?

NO, THE GENTILES WERE NOT GOD’S PEOPLE.

THE GENTILES DID NOT GET CIRCUMCISED, NOR DID THEY OBEY THE LAW OF WORKS WHEN GIVEN BY MOSES.

The Gentiles did not believe AND obey God.

People were saved by BELIEVING AND OBEYING.

 

[DHK]

DHK,
People were saved by BELIEVING AND OBEYING.

Christ always did the works of his Father.
Did that "save" Him?

Obedience never saved anyone. That is a false doctrine.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
--It is not justified by faith and obedience, but rather justified by faith alone. One cannot add to the Word here.

Likewise here:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
--Salvation is not of yourself; not of one's own obedience or works. It is by grace through faith.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
--Whosoever believes shall have remission of sins; not whosoever obeys.
Moriah you are simply adding to and perverting the Word of God.
Your putting forth another gospel, an accursed message which is not a gospel.
Salvation is by faith and by faith alone.

Abraham was saved by faith. Righteousness was imputed unto him when he believed God. That was in Ur. That was long before circumcision. That was the point of salvation in his life.

Moses was saved before he ever got to Mount Sinai, before he ever got the command to circumcise anyone. He was not circumcised when he met God at the burning bush. Was he saved? Of course he was! God would not meet an unsaved man like that.

You admit:

Did salvation come to the Syrophoenician woman? The Bible does not say she was saved yet. The Bible says because of her faith, HER DAUGHTER WAS HEALED.

That is how we all are saved.

Matthew 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus said of the disciples "O ye of little faith," but of this woman "great is thy faith," and when she reached home she found her daughter healed.

Mark 7:30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

Jesus also addressed her "daughter" an indication that she was saved.

We are all saved by faith, even as this woman was.

 

[The Biblicist]

Romans 1:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.


The Jews were God’s people, not the Gentiles.

You are simply jerking texts out of context and making them fit your imaginary doctrine.

The only truth of your position is that the Jews were the people of God by NATIONAL ELECTION to privileges that were previously found only among GENTILES previously existent to the nation of Israel and now are found among gentiles.

The national covenant they made with God made them the professed people of God above all nations of the world.

However, that covenant of Law never ever made any individual Jew a SPIRITUAL child of God as it was never designed to save anyone or to make anyone a SPIRITUAL child of God.

This is the error of false Judaism which John repudiated in John 1:12-13. The New birth is what makes people SPIRITUAL children of God and Paul repudiated the fact that merely being an Israelite "AFTER THE FLESH" made them the SPIRITUAL children of God:

6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

You are simply ignorant of God's Word and I am afraid you will remain ignorant unless God has mercy on you and opens your blinded eyes.

 

[Moriah]

Christ always did the works of his Father.
Did that "save" Him?

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

Obedience never saved anyone. That is a false doctrine.
Salvation is by faith and faith alone.

Then why did Saul get the Holy Spirit taken from him? Why was God going to kill Moses?
The Bible says if you say you know God, but do not obey Him then you are a liar. Does that sound like faith alone?

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
--It is not justified by faith and obedience, but rather justified by faith alone. One cannot add to the Word here.

Romans 5:1 does not say what you say, that we are justified by faith alone without obedience. YOU just added to God’s word.

Likewise here:
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are not saved of ourselves means Jesus saves us all by his self. It means Jesus does not need our help to save us. It means we do not have to find an animal without blemish and give a sin offering. It means we do not have to make ourselves ceremonially clean before coming to God.

It does NOT mean Jesus does not consider the condition of our heart before he saves us. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. Acts 15:8
We receive the Holy Spirit when we obey, see Acts 5:32 and John 14:23.

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
--Salvation is not of yourself; not of one's own obedience or works. It is by grace through faith.

It is as if you have no idea about the works of the law the Jews had to do just to worship God. Go look up Leviticus. Read about all those things the Jews had to do. Then stop acting as if it were no big deal.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
--Whosoever believes shall have remission of sins; not whosoever obeys.

Acts 10:43 is the time at Cornelius’ house. Those at Cornelius’ house were devout and God fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly, see v. 2.

Cornelius and his whole household DID do THINGS, things that you say do not matter. However, the Word of God shows us it does matter.

Moriah you are simply adding to and perverting the Word of God.
Your putting forth another gospel, an accursed message which is not a gospel.
Salvation is by faith and by faith alone.

You might not see it, nor admit it, but you are calling the Word of God perverted.

Abraham was saved by faith. Righteousness was imputed unto him when he believed God. That was in Ur. That was long before circumcision. That was the point of salvation in his life.

Abraham OBEYED God from the beginning.

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

Paul makes a point to tell us ABRAHAM OBEYED God even before circumcision.

Moses was saved before he ever got to Mount Sinai, before he ever got the command to circumcise anyone. He was not circumcised when he met God at the burning bush. Was he saved? Of course he was! God would not meet an unsaved man like that.

Then why was God going to kill Moses? Tell us why.

That is how we all are saved.

The Bible says because of her faith her daughter was healed. The Bible does NOT say she was saved. You are adding to the Word of God. All men could come to Jesus when he is lifted up.

Matthew 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus said of the disciples "O ye of little faith," but of this woman "great is thy faith," and when she reached home she found her daughter healed.

Mark 7:30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

Jesus also addressed her "daughter" an indication that she was saved.

We are all saved by faith, even as this woman was.

Stop adding to the word of God.

 

[Moriah]

You are simply jerking texts out of context and making them fit your imaginary doctrine.

I do no such thing.

The only truth of your position is that the Jews were the people of God by NATIONAL ELECTION to privileges that were previously found only among GENTILES previously existent to the nation of Israel and now are found among gentiles.

Privileges that were previously found only among Gentiles you say. Please do not bother to explain that unrecognizable information that is not in the Bible.

The national covenant they made with God made them the professed people of God above all nations of the world.

Could you please try to use only the words of God as written? What is national covenant? I cannot find your beliefs in the Bible. It does sound as if you are getting closer to admitting the truth, but just to be sure, give me the scripture that says, “The national covenant they made with God made them the professed people of God above all nations of the world.”

However, that covenant of Law never ever made any individual Jew a SPIRITUAL child of God as it was never designed to save anyone or to make anyone a SPIRITUAL child of God.

Here is where you really start to go in error. The works ALONE did not make a man a spiritual child of God, but stop acting as if they did not have to do the

works, THEY HAD TBEY GOD AND DO THE WORKS. The person, who had sinned, was not in right standing just because he gave a sin offering; the person

has to be sorry for the sin! HOWEVER, there were Jews who sinned, gave sinning offerings, BUT WERE NOT SORRY FOR THEIR SINS.

HOWEVER, there were Jews who believed in God, sinned, OBEYED by giving sin offerings, AND WERE REALLY SORRY FOR THEIR SINS. You CANNOT DISOBEY

GOD ABOUT DOING HIS WORKS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BELIEVE IN HIM. YOU CANNOT FOOL GOD EITHER BY GIVING SIN OFFERINGS AND REALLY NOT BE

SORRY IN YOUR HEART, NOR CAN YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, SIN, REALLY BE SORRY FOR YOUR SINS, BUT NOT GIVE A SIN OFFERING!

This is the error of false Judaism which John repudiated in John 1:12-13. The New birth is what makes people SPIRITUAL children of God and Paul repudiated the fact that merely being an Israelite "AFTER THE FLESH" made them the SPIRITUAL children of God:

Again, here is where you really start to go in error. The works ALONE did not make a man a spiritual child of God, but stop acting as if they did not have to do the

works, THEY HAD TBEY GOD AND DO THE WORKS. The person, who had sinned, was not in right standing just because he gave a sin offering; the person

has to be sorry for the sin! HOWEVER, there were Jews who sinned, gave sinning offerings, BUT WERE NOT SORRY FOR THEIR SINS.

HOWEVER, there were Jews who believed in God, sinned, OBEYED by giving sin offerings, AND WERE REALLY SORRY FOR THEIR SINS. You CANNOT DISOBEY

GOD ABOUT DOING HIS WORKS NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU BELIEVE IN HIM. YOU CANNOT FOOL GOD EITHER BY GIVING SIN OFFERINGS AND REALLY NOT BE

SORRY IN YOUR HEART, NOR CAN YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, SIN, REALLY BE SORRY FOR YOUR SINS, BUT NOT GIVE A SIN OFFERING!

You are simply ignorant of God's Word and I am afraid you will remain ignorant unless God has mercy on you and opens your blinded eyes.

God has opened the eyes of my heart. You do not have the type of heart that God is allowing repentance for false beliefs you are mean and abusive. It is not my fault either that you allowed yourself to be so hardened, for I have been kind and patient.