Dead Faith as taught by the Apostle James

[DHK]

Repent means to be sorry, in any language, in any circumstance, before being saved, and after being saved. I hope you consider better, what power came over you, to convince you, that unbelievers do not know that repent means to be sorry, or that repenting to God turns repenting into fakeness. It is never okay to repent to God without being sorry, that is fake repentance.

A believer repents for A sin that he has done.
What does an unbeliever repent for? Is he sorry for every sin that he has ever committed. Can he name them one by one since the day he was born, and be sorry for ALL of his sins. The Bible does not teach that. It does not teach that he must be sorry for all his sins. You can't point to one verse that says that, not one. You have never been able to do that.

Godly sorrow is being sorry about a sin and you then repent. Worldly sorrow is when someone is sorrowful, and they get mad, or resentful, they fall into depression, they get hateful…that is worldly sorrow.

You are redundant. Godly sorrow is Godly sorrow. Duh!
Godly sorrow leads to repentance. It is not repentance. Notice the differentiation. The sorrow is not repentance. It leads to repentance. And that is only in the life of a believer. It has nothing to do with an unbeliever, who doesn't know what Godly sorrow is. One cannot be saved by being sorry for their sins. That doesn't save a person. A person is saved by putting their faith in Christ. You need to learn that, and if you haven't done that, you need to do it.

 

[Moriah]

A believer repents for A sin that he has done.

A believer should be sorry for every sin he has done!

How would it make since to confess to only one of your sins if you know you committed more?!

What does an unbeliever repent for? Is he sorry for every sin that he has ever committed.

What do you mean an unbeliever? Unbelievers can repent and tell people he is sorry for things he has done, but why would an unbeliever repent to God, if they are an unbeliever? !

Can he name them one by one since the day he was born, and be sorry for ALL of his sins.

I could look back on my life and see what things I have done wrong. Is that an unimaginable thing for you?

The Bible does not teach that. It does not teach that he must be sorry for all his sins. You can't point to one verse that says that, not one. You have never been able to do that.

I always give scriptures for my beliefs.

Why would you not be sorry for all your sins? That is just strange to be sorry for some sins and not others. I have not ever heard of such a confession, to repent of some sins but not others.

The Bible says to ask God to forgive you for your sins. How do you ever get that we do not have to ask for forgiveness for all our sins but only some of them? What kind of sense does that make?

Matthew 6:12
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Godly sorrow leads to repentance. It is not repentance.

If a believer is sorry for their sins, it IS godly sorrow, and it always leads to repentance! That is why it is called godly sorrow! They go together! God does not want your repentance if you are not sorry, that would be a fake repentance.

Notice the differentiation. The sorrow is not repentance. It leads to repentance. And that is only in the life of a believer.

Again, it is called godly sorrow because the person IS a believer AND IT ALWAYS LEADS TO REPENTANCE. Tell us, what UNBELIEVER REPENTS TO GOD?!

One cannot be saved by being sorry for their sins. That doesn't save a person. A person is saved by putting their faith in Christ. You need to learn that, and if you haven't done that, you need to do it.

When someone wants to be saved, they REPENT AND turn to God to be saved. YOU need to stop teaching falseness.
Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Moriah]

a true biblical repentance would be to forsake doing what is wrong/sinful...

Are you saying we must repent and stop all known sinning before god can save us?

When a person wants to be saved, they are sorry for their sins, and they repent of their sins. They are not at that time sinning are they? They then start proving their repentance. God who knows our hearts gives us the Holy Spirit when He accepts us.
We work out our salvation. If you are working out your salvation, that means you are getting sins out of your life that you repented.

 

[DHK]

A believer should be sorry for every sin he has done!

How would it make since to confess to only one of your sins if you know you committed more?!

You are unable to keep focused on a conversation. The passage where "Godly sorrow" was taken from was in 2Cor.7. It was speaking of one sin.
Here it is:
2 Corinthians 7:12 Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.
--One man had committed one sin. His Godly sorrow had led him to repent of that one sin. The entire discussion revolved around that believer's repentance of one sin.
1John 1:9 indicates that we should confess our sins on a daily basis.

What do you mean an unbeliever? Unbelievers can repent and tell people he is sorry for things he has done, but why would an unbeliever repent to God, if they are an unbeliever? !

An unbeliever is not sorry for every sin he has ever committed when he comes to Christ. Being sorry for your sins doesn't gain you salvation. Besides that, who would tell others of all their sins that they are sorry about? I certainly wouldn't want to listen to that! Do you enjoy gossip??

I could look back on my life and see what things I have done wrong. Is that an unimaginable thing for you?

Do not lie to me please.
There is not a person alive on this earth, who can list every sin they have ever committed from birth to the day they have been saved, let alone confess them and repent of each one of them. You have never done that. Yes it is unimaginable for me, for it is impossible for you to do. You are not God; you are not omniscient--knowing and remembering all things. Perhaps, in this, you are claiming greater powers than Jesus did.

I always give scriptures for my beliefs.

You can't give Scripture for what the Scripture doesn't teach, therefore from where do you get your beliefs? RCC Catechism?

Why would you not be sorry for all your sins? That is just strange to be sorry for some sins and not others. I have not ever heard of such a confession, to repent of some sins but not others.

Keep focused Moriah.
1. Believers need to show regret and sorrow for what they have done, and to repent of it.
2. Unbelievers do not get saved by being sorry; they are saved by putting their faith in Christ. It is Christ that saves; not sorrow.

The Bible says to ask God to forgive you for your sins. How do you ever get that we do not have to ask for forgiveness for all our sins but only some of them? What kind of sense does that make?

Matthew 6:12
Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

"And the disciples came to Jesus asking him, Lord teach us to pray."
This is part of the Lord's Prayer where he was teaching his disciples. It is meant for Christians, believers in Christ, not for the unsaved.

If a believer is sorry for their sins, it IS godly sorrow, and it always leads to repentance! That is why it is called godly sorrow! They go together! God does not want your repentance if you are not sorry, that would be a fake repentance.

According to 2Cor.7 that applies to believers. I am not arguing that. Being sorry for your sins is not a requirement for salvation.

Again, it is called godly sorrow because the person IS a believer AND IT ALWAYS LEADS TO REPENTANCE. Tell us, what UNBELIEVER REPENTS TO GOD?!

An unbeliever must first be saved. Salvation comes through faith in Christ. It is Christ that saves, not sorrow.

When someone wants to be saved, they REPENT AND turn to God to be saved. YOU need to stop teaching falseness.
Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In each one of these verses the audience is the Jews. They were the ones who needed to specifically repent of crucifying the Lord Jesus Christ. Notice when Paul went to the Gentiles, like the Philippian jailor, his message was "faith in Christ."

 

[Moriah]

The passage where "Godly sorrow" was taken from was in 2Cor.7. It was speaking of one sin.
Here it is:
2 Corinthians 7:12 Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.
--One man had committed one sin. His Godly sorrow had led him to repent of that one sin. The entire discussion revolved around that believer's repentance of one sin.
1John 1:9 indicates that we should confess our sins on a daily basis.

Godly sorrow can lead someone not yet saved to confess that they are a sinner. Godly sorrow can be sorrow that leads someone to confess all their sins, whether it be one or many. For you to figure godly sorry is a one sin thing is just too absurd.

An unbeliever is not sorry for every sin he has ever committed when he comes to Christ. Being sorry for your sins doesn't gain you salvation. Besides that, who would tell others of all their sins that they are sorry about? I certainly wouldn't want to listen to that!

The person does not have to tell anyone but God and Jesus!


If a person admits they are a sinner, then they are admitting they sinned all throughout their life, and if they are sorry for that, then they will want to turn from those sins.

Do not lie to me please.
There is not a person alive on this earth, who can list every sin they have ever committed from birth to the day they have been saved, let alone confess them and repent of each one of them. You have never done that. Yes it is unimaginable for me, for it is impossible for you to do. You are not God; you are not omniscient--knowing and remembering all things. Perhaps, in this, you are claiming greater powers than Jesus did.

Do not speak for everyone. You are NOT God. Do not accuse me of lying either. I grew up reading the Bible, I knew what sins were, and I knew which ones I did. Do not talk back to your parents. Did you ever do that? Lol Real hard to remember? Do not steal; did you ever steal as a child, maybe a piece of candy or something? Yes or no, does it escape your memory? Do not have sex before you are married, did you have sex before you are married? Can you remember? Do not murder; did you murder anyone? Can you try hard to remember? Did you ever lie? lol

Do you have some type of brain injury that prevents you from knowing what you did and why you did them?

Keep focused Moriah.
1. Believers need to show regret and sorrow for what they have done, and to repent of it.
2. Unbelievers do not get saved by being sorry; they are saved by putting their faith in Christ. It is Christ that saves; not sorrow.

You speak nonsense. Why would an UNBELIEVER care to put their faith in Christ? THEY ARE UNBELIEVERS. Are you forgetting that you are not a Calvinist? Are you really Biblicist, and you are forgetting what account you are posting in? CALVINSTS BELIEVE THAT GOD SAVES UNBELIEVERS. You said you were not a Calvinist!

"And the disciples came to Jesus asking him, Lord teach us to pray."
This is part of the Lord's Prayer where he was teaching his disciples. It is meant for Christians, believers in Christ, not for the unsaved.

Not everyone is saved immediately just because they believe in Jesus. That might happen in your religion, it might be what you think happens in your religion, but Jesus is the one who saves, not your pastor. Your pastor is not God. Your pastor is not Jesus. Your pastor is not an Apostle.

An unbeliever must first be saved. Salvation comes through faith in Christ. It is Christ that saves, not sorrow.

AGAIN, ARE YOU A CALVINIST? Why do you keep saying an Unbeliever must first be saved? UNBELIEVERS DO NOT BELIEVE, Calvinists are the people who teach God gives the Holy Spirit to unbelievers. Why do you keep talking like a Calvinist?

Moriah said: When someone wants to be saved, they REPENT AND turn to God to be saved. YOU need to stop teaching falseness.
Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

DHK said: In each one of these verses the audience is the Jews. They were the ones who needed to specifically repent of crucifying the Lord Jesus Christ. Notice when Paul went to the Gentiles, like the Philippian jailor, his message was "faith in Christ."

You said Paul was telling only the Jews to repent and not the Gentiles. THAT IS SUCH AN ERROR.
Read Acts 26:20 again.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Paul preached to THE GENTILES TOO THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD.

NOW WILL YOU BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE TO BELIEVE AND REPENT?

 

[DHK]

You said Paul was telling only the Jews to repent and not the Gentiles. THAT IS SUCH AN ERROR.
Read Acts 26:20 again.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Paul preached to THE GENTILES TOO THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD.

NOW WILL YOU BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE TO BELIEVE AND REPENT?

This is an example of you failing to consider the context.
Paul is giving his testimony before King Agrippa. Why didn't you look at verse 21, right after verse 20:

Acts 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
--He was giving his testimony. He had given the reason for why God had called him. And when he had said that previously, it angered the Jews. His testimony here is before Agrippa. He is not telling Gentiles to repent in this verse. He is speaking before King Agrippa.

Do you ever pay attention to context.

 

[Moriah]

This is an example of you failing to consider the context.
Paul is giving his testimony before King Agrippa. Why didn't you look at verse 21, right after verse 20:

Acts 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
--He was giving his testimony. He had given the reason for why God had called him. And when he had said that previously, it angered the Jews. His testimony here is before Agrippa. He is not telling Gentiles to repent in this verse. He is speaking before King Agrippa.

Do you ever pay attention to context.

You said Paul was telling only the Jews to repent and not the Gentiles. THAT IS SUCH AN ERROR.
Read Acts 26:20 again.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Paul preached to THE GENTILES TOO THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD.

NOW WILL YOU BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE TO BELIEVE AND REPENT?

 

[Yeshua1]

When a person wants to be saved, they are sorry for their sins, and they repent of their sins. They are not at that time sinning are they? They then start proving their repentance. God who knows our hearts gives us the Holy Spirit when He accepts us.
We work out our salvation. If you are working out your salvation, that means you are getting sins out of your life that you repented.

He accepts ALL who place their trust/faith in jesus, and receive then eternal life in his name!

Once saved by god, then we start to become more like jesus, and grow up in Him, and that is when repenting/forsaking our sins can really begin!

 

[Moriah]

He accepts ALL who place their trust/faith in jesus, and receive then eternal life in his name!

Once saved by god, then we start to become more like jesus, and grow up in Him, and that is when repenting/forsaking our sins can really begin!

Can you explain how a person can hear the gospel, not understand any of it, as you claim we cannot…how can we trust Jesus then, if we cannot understand anything we are being told?

 

[Yeshua1]

Can you explain how a person can hear the gospel, not understand any of it, as you claim we cannot…how can we trust Jesus then, if we cannot understand anything we are being told?

the Lord grants to those whom He has chosen to be saved by yeshua to be given the means to hear and respond by faith to jesus,,,

 

[Moriah]

the Lord grants to those whom He has chosen to be saved by yeshua to be given the means to hear and respond by faith to jesus,,,

Show that from the scriptures.

In addition, explain who and why God chooses those He saves.
The Bible says always have an answer. I am waiting for your answer.

 

[DHK]

Show that from the scriptures.

In addition, explain who and why God chooses those He saves.
The Bible says always have an answer. I am waiting for your answer.

How do you know that God has chosen you and saved you?

 

[Moriah]

I know that Jesus has chosen me and saved me because he revealed himself to me, just as he said he would to whoever gets his teachings and does them.
Those who want God’s Truth they seek Him, they want to be reconciled to God so much so that they get forceful about it, they want to know God and be reconciled to Him more than they want anything else.

Believe in God and Jesus, Fear God, humble yourself, and confess your sins with a contrite heart, repent, trust God and call on Jesus to help you.

How do you know that God has chosen you and saved you?

Now please answer the questions.

You say a person seeks God as a robber for a police station. So tell us, when someone is being told the gospel, did they have to be hunted down and tied down as a criminal before they let the person speak the word to them? Tell us, if no unsaved person seeks God, then why did I buy a Bible when I wanted to know God before I was saved?

You say a person can have saving faith and do nothing else. You say a person does not even understand any of God’s word until after they are saved. So then, tell us how that person can have the faith that saves if they understand NOTHING? Tell us how can a person have a saving faith BUT WHO DID NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING?

Why do you think God chooses those He saves?

How do you eat Jesus?

PLEASE answer all these questions.

 

[DHK]

How do you eat Jesus?

PLEASE answer all these questions.

Your question is foolish.
You provide no context.
I have left Roman Catholicism; perhaps you haven't.
I don't believe Catholic dogma.
I am not a cannibal.

There is my answer in the light of the context of your question.

 

[Moriah]

Your question is foolish.
You provide no context.
I have left Roman Catholicism; perhaps you haven't.
I don't believe Catholic dogma.
I am not a cannibal.

There is my answer in the light of the context of your question.

My question is not foolish. How do you eat Jesus? We all have read how you quote scripture that Jesus tastes good; now tell us how you eat him.

What does the Roman Catholics false doctrine and cannibalism have to do with this discussion?

I have explained to you that we eat Jesus when we obey his commands.

You told me I was wrong, so you tell me how you eat Jesus.

 

[Yeshua1]

My question is not foolish. How do you eat Jesus? We all have read how you quote scripture that Jesus tastes good; now tell us how you eat him.

What does the Roman Catholics false doctrine and cannibalism have to do with this discussion?

I have explained to you that we eat Jesus when we obey his commands.

You told me I was wrong, so you tell me how you eat Jesus.

I feed myself upon the word of God, but not Him!

 

[Moriah]

I feed myself upon the word of God, but not Him!

What do you mean you feed yourself on the word of God but not Him?

Jesus IS the Word of God.
Do you want to explain more how you feed yourself on the Word of God?

 

[Yeshua1]

What do you mean you feed yourself on the word of God but not Him?

Jesus IS the Word of God.
Do you want to explain more how you feed yourself on the Word of God?

ALL that I need to know concering who god is, how to live for Him, what to believe and do etc are in the Bible!

Study and apply those truths, and you will be found obeying Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

Show that from the scriptures.

In addition, explain who and why God chooses those He saves.
The Bible says always have an answer. I am waiting for your answer.

Important thing is that the elect of God can know they are saved by gtrace of God!

 

[Moriah]

ALL that I need to know concering who god is, how to live for Him, what to believe and do etc are in the Bible!

Study and apply those truths, and you will be found obeying Christ!

Are you saying to obey Jesus is to eat from him? So then, if you come to Jesus and do not eat/obey, then how is Jesus going to be in you?