We have to obey Jesus!

[The Biblicist]

I did answer your questions.
We can do nothing in that Jesus did it all. That does not mean Jesus chooses people just because they say they believe.
Jesus knows our hearts, and he chooses those he accepts.
We are to confess our sins. We are to prepare the way for Jesus to live in our hearts.
You teach a dirty rag confession. You teach no repentance, just as the Pharisees.

Let's reduce this whole discussion down to one simple question and one simple answer!

If someone convinced that they need to be saved asked you directly and explicitly "what CAN I DO to be saved?" would your immediate response be "Beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"?


Don't give me any explanations or commentary! Just a simple yes or no! I can answer "yes."

 

[DHK]

I did answer your questions.
We can do nothing in that Jesus did it all. That does not mean Jesus chooses people just because they say they believe.
Jesus knows our hearts, and he chooses those he accepts.

On what basis? On the basis that they were fore-ordained before the foundation of the earth?

We are to confess our sins.

My friend's mother got saved at the age of 80. Do you think she can remember ever sin she committed in her lifetime for the last 80 years? What sins is she going to confess? What happens if she misses some? You just gave her an impossible task (impossible for any person). And the Bible doesn't teach it.

We are to prepare the way for Jesus to live in our hearts.

We can't. Besides, Jesus prepared the way for us. The way has been prepared by the way of the cross. There is nothing I can do.
What is the condition of an unsaved heart?
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

You teach a dirty rag confession. You teach no repentance, just as the Pharisees.

I don't teach that you should confess anything at all, except to confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father, after you have received him as your Savior by faith and faith alone.

 

[DHK]

I did answer your questions.
We can do nothing in that Jesus did it all. That does not mean Jesus chooses people just because they say they believe.
Jesus knows our hearts, and he chooses those he accepts.
We are to confess our sins. We are to prepare the way for Jesus to live in our hearts.
You teach a dirty rag confession. You teach no repentance, just as the Pharisees.

No you didn't. My question was just one. Try again. Read carefully.

You didn't answer my question.

By your testimony you need to trust Christ by faith alone without any works of any sort. Without that one cannot be saved. Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone. Do you believe that?

 

[Moriah]

Don't you know the difference between REVELATION and WORSHIP?? The Bible provides revelation but is not the object of worship but that is exactly what you are doing as !

You just say anything to sound like you know something, even if you have to make it up.
You do not know whom it is you think you are worshiping.
I know who I believe in.

Would you agree that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation - Rom. 1:17; 1 Cor. 1:17-18?

Would you agree that the gospel is "how Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures" - 1 Cor. 15:3-4??

Your testimony is void of that gospel! There is nothing about Christ in your testimony. There is no testimony about trusting in Christ or how Christ saved you. Hence, YOU HAVE NO GOSPEL TESTIMONY!

I only speak about God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I only speak about God’s Word.
You have no argument.

I do have a gospel testimony. I trusted in the Person and in the work provided for me by Jesus Christ - in his death, burial and resurrection and how he died for my sins. My testimony is not about what I DID (as yours) but about what Christ did for me! That is the testimony of every saved man in the Scriptures. The only testimony in the scriptures that is like yours are those in Matthew 7:22-23 and Luke 18:11-12.

You are the one who says not to repent. The Pharisees and the teacher’s of the law are the only ones who did not repent.

Paul and Silas first identify the exact word of the Lord they spoke to the Jailor in Acts 16:31 and it was "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved with thy house"!

They never said "trust in the Word" but "believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"

You intentional deceive and twist the Word of God to satisfy your belly!

You try to nullify many scriptures just to defend manufactured beliefs. You have been ensnared to do the devils work, teaching people not to repent.
Biblicist, think about it, who else but the devil would tell people not to repent, who else but the devil would call it a false doctrine, accursed and condemned, when one teaches to obey Jesus?

 

[The Biblicist]

You just say anything to sound like you know something, even if you have to make it up.
You do not know whom it is you think you are worshiping.
I know who I believe in.

So you are ignorant of the difference between REVELATION and WORSHIP!

The Word of God REVEALS HIS WILL but only God HIMself is the object of Worship. Salvation is not believing the Word of God as the Word of God speaks about all kinds of subjects many of which have nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is believing God's Word about the Person and redemptive ork of Jesus Christ that is called the Gospel.

I only speak about God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I only speak about God’s Word.
You have no argument.

I feel sorry for you as you have no idea what you are talking about.

You are the one who says not to repent. The Pharisees and the teacher’s of the law are the only ones who did not repent.

I have said no such thing! I have explicitly defined what it means to "repent and believe the gospel." Gospel repentance is acknowledging that you are a sinner and all your works are sinful and turning from sin to Christ to be saved; turning from YOUR works to Christ's Works for salvation.


Paul and Silas first identify the exact word of the Lord they spoke to the Jailor in Acts 16:31 and it was "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved with thy house"!

They never said "trust in the Word" but "believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"

You intentional deceive and twist the Word of God to satisfy your belly![/QUOTE]

You try to nullify many scriptures just to defend manufactured beliefs.

You cannot even be honest with the Word of God! Any novice can read Acts 16 and see that verse 31 precedes verse 32, even an unbeliever can see that.

The Jailor asked the specific question "what MUST I DO to be saved" and their response was not "believe the word of God" as you pervert Paul's words but rather their immediate resposne is "....BELIEVE upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and your house."

Verse 32 follows showing that the same message was preached to those of his house.

You are attempting to rewrite the scripture and REPLACE verse 31 with verse 32 and verse 32 was not their response to his question but verse 31 was their response!

Again, if you were asked precisely the same question with precisely the same words used by the Jailor who realized he needed to be saved - "Sirs what MUST I DO to be saved" would you respond with the precise same answer and the precise same words as Paul and Silas used in Acts 16:31???

 

[Moriah]

So you are ignorant of the difference between REVELATION and WORSHIP!

The Word of God REVEALS HIS WILL but only God HIMself is the object of Worship. Salvation is not believing the Word of God as the Word of God speaks about all kinds of subjects many of which have nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is believing God's Word about the Person and redemptive ork of Jesus Christ that is called the Gospel.




I feel sorry for you as you have no idea what you are talking about.




I have said no such thing! I have explicitly defined what it means to "repent and believe the gospel." Gospel repentance is acknowledging that you are a sinner and all your works are sinful and turning from sin to Christ to be saved; turning from YOUR works to Christ's Works for salvation.


Paul and Silas first identify the exact word of the Lord they spoke to the Jailor in Acts 16:31 and it was "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved with thy house"!

They never said "trust in the Word" but "believe ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST"

You intentional deceive and twist the Word of God to satisfy your belly!




You cannot even be honest with the Word of God! Any novice can read Acts 16 and see that verse 31 precedes verse 32, even an unbeliever can see that.

The Jailor asked the specific question "what MUST I DO to be saved" and their response was not "believe the word of God" as you pervert Paul's words but rather their immediate resposne is "....BELIEVE upon the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and your house."

Verse 32 follows showing that the same message was preached to those of his house.

You are attempting to rewrite the scripture and REPLACE verse 31 with verse 32 and verse 32 was not their response to his question but verse 31 was their response!

Again, if you were asked precisely the same question with precisely the same words used by the Jailor who realized he needed to be saved - "Sirs what MUST I DO to be saved" would you respond with the precise same answer and the precise same words as Paul and Silas used in Acts 16:31???

Biblicist,
What do you think believe in Jesus means? Do you think it means to believe in the name? Do you think it means just to say I believe, but not know in what you believe?

 

[The Biblicist]

Biblicist,
What do you think believe in Jesus means? Do you think it means to believe in the name? Do you think it means just to say I believe, but not know in what you believe?

It does not mean "keep his commandments" as Paul completely denies such an idea in Romans 4:19-21.

Abraham is the father "OF ALL WHO BELIEVE" and his faith is defined as simply FULL CONVICTION that rests soley as its only hope upon the power of God to provide the promise of God without his assistance, participation, or aide - Rom. 4:21.

Abraham's "faith" denies any ability to assist, cooperate, contribute or participate in obtaining the promise of God as his body was "dead" in regard to any AIDING, ASSISTING, CONTRIBUTING, PARTICIPATING with God as his physical capability was "dead" and Sarah's womb was in "DEADNESS" - Rom. 4:18

Their ONLY HOPE was to believe that God, and God alone by God's power alone would provide God's promise - Rom. 4:21. Hence, "faith" by contextual definition is the PERSUASION/CONICTION that RESTS soley upon God's power to obtain God's promise.

This kind of defined faith is then directly applied by Paul to what it means to believe in Christ - Rom. 4:22-25.

And it is Paul who says to the Jailer, "Beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

Furthermore, Paul uses the Aorist tense verb which means it is a completed action not an ongoing incompleted continous keeping of commandments like you are trying to force upon that text!

 

[Moriah]

It does not mean "keep his commandments" as Paul completely denies such an idea in Romans 4:19-21.

Abraham is the father "OF ALL WHO BELIEVE" and his faith is defined as simply FULL CONVICTION that rests soley as its only hope upon the power of God to provide the promise of God without his assistance, participation, or aide - Rom. 4:21.

Abraham's "faith" denies any ability to assist, cooperate, contribute or participate in obtaining the promise of God as his body was "dead" in regard to any AIDING, ASSISTING, CONTRIBUTING, PARTICIPATING with God as his physical capability was "dead" and Sarah's womb was in "DEADNESS" - Rom. 4:18

Their ONLY HOPE was to believe that God, and God alone by God's power alone would provide God's promise - Rom. 4:21. Hence, "faith" by contextual definition is the PERSUASION/CONICTION that RESTS soley upon God's power to obtain God's promise.

This kind of defined faith is then directly applied by Paul to what it means to believe in Christ - Rom. 4:22-25.

And it is Paul who says to the Jailer, "Beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

Furthermore, Paul uses the Aorist tense verb which means it is a completed action not an ongoing incompleted continous keeping of commandments like you are trying to force upon that text!

Biblicist,

What does it mean to believe in Jesus?

Why could you not answer that?

 

[The Biblicist]

Biblicist,

What does it mean to believe in Jesus?

Why could you not answer that?

You obviously have a problem either with reading or understanding what you read. I defined "faith" as confidence that rests completely in God's Promise and in God's power to obtain what he promises.- Rom. 4:18-21

I said this definition is directly applied to the good news of Jesus Christ in Romans 4:23-25

If you still cannot understand that, then let me break it down in small baby steps for you -

It is the complete conviction that Jesus Christ satisfied every demand of God for you in order to be saved and that his finished work is your only hope of salvation.

I realize it is hard to understand something that is foreign to your own testimony of salvation.

 

[Moriah]

You obviously have a problem either with reading or understanding what you read. I defined "faith" as confidence that rests completely in God's Promise and in God's power to obtain what he promises.- Rom. 4:18-21

I said this definition is directly applied to the good news of Jesus Christ in Romans 4:23-25

If you still cannot understand that, then let me break it down in small baby steps for you -

It is the complete conviction that Jesus Christ satisfied every demand of God for you in order to be saved and that his finished work is your only hope of salvation.

I realize it is hard to understand something that is foreign to your own testimony of salvation.

You still have not explained what it means to believe in Jesus.

In addition, you have not explained why God tests those who believe. You said we only have to believe, if we only have to believe, explain about God testing us.

 

[The Biblicist]

You still have not explained what it means to believe in Jesus.

What you really mean to say is that I have not explained it to YOUR SATISFACTION according YOUR INTERPETATION because any fool can see I have answered that question from my perspective twice already.

In addition, you have not explained why God tests those who believe. You said we only have to believe, so then how is it that God tests us?

I never said any such thing ever anytime anywhere on this forum. Faith by itself is worthless, less than worthless.

Saving faith is defined by its object and without that object it saves no one. So the test of saving faith is THE OBJECT it embraces as its hope for salvation and it is not doing good works or keeping God's commandments.

 

[The Biblicist]

What you really mean to say is that I have not explained it to YOUR SATISFACTION according YOUR INTERPETATION because any fool can see I have answered that question from my perspective twice already.



I never said any such thing ever anytime anywhere on this forum. Faith by itself is worthless, less than worthless.

Saving faith is defined by its object and without that object it saves no one. So the test of saving faith is THE OBJECT it embraces as its hope for salvation and it is not doing good works or keeping God's commandments.

Lets get another thing straight that you are falsely charging me with.

I do believe all sinners must repent and without repentance there is no salvation for anyone at all.

Where you and I differ is on the nature of GOSPEL repentance or repentance that the GOSPEL demands or the words "repent AND believe THE GOSPEL."

I believe that the term "repent" means a CHANGE OF MIND and in regard to the gospel it is a CHANGE OF MIND about YOU and YOUR WORKS!

YOU believe you are GOOD when you are a SINNER and YOU believe you can do GOOD works when you works are sinful.

In order for you to be saved you must REPENT or CHANGE YOUR MIND about you being good and your ability to do good works and confess YOU are a SINNER under the wrath of God and YOUR WORKS are filthy rags.


YOU REPENT BY TURNING FROM YOU AND YOUR WORKS UNTO CHRIST AND HIS WORKS AS THE ONLY HOPE OF YOUR SALVATION.

YOU REPENT BY TURNING FROM YOU AND YOUR WORKS UNTO CHRIST AND HIS WORKS AS THE ONLY HOPE OF YOUR SALVATION.

YOU REPENT BY TURNING FROM YOU AND YOUR WORKS UNTO CHRIST AND HIS WORKS AS THE ONLY HOPE OF YOUR SALVATION.

YOU REPENT BY TURNING FROM YOU AND YOUR WORKS UNTO CHRIST AND HIS WORKS AS THE ONLY HOPE OF YOUR SALVATION.

Do you get the point???? I doubt it!

 

[Moriah]

What you really mean to say is that I have not explained it to YOUR SATISFACTION according YOUR INTERPETATION because any fool can see I have answered that question from my perspective twice already.

You have explained nothing, because you do not know and understand the Lord.

I never said any such thing ever anytime anywhere on this forum. Faith by itself is worthless, less than worthless.
Saving faith is defined by its object and without that object it saves no one. So the test of saving faith is THE OBJECT it embraces as its hope for salvation and it is not doing good works or keeping God's commandments.

Has anyone ever said to you, “Blah, blah, and blah”? lol You are one confused man. So, you say faith by itself is worthless, even less than worthless…lol…maybe you think we should believe and repent as I have been saving.
Now, explain better how and why God tests people who believe.

 

[The Biblicist]

You have explained nothing, because you do not know and understand the Lord.


Has anyone ever said to you, “Blah, blah, and blah”? lol You are one confused man. So, you say faith by itself is worthless, even less than worthless…lol…maybe you think we should believe and repent as I have been saving.

Oh, I have clearly and perfectly explained what I believe about believing in Christ and YOU are only one on this forum that refuses to admit it. I dare you to find another person on this forum, even your buddy, to agree with you on this. You are simply lying and you are a very good liar.

 

[Moriah]

Oh, I have clearly and perfectly explained what I believe about believing in Christ and YOU are only one on this forum that refuses to admit it. I dare you to find another person on this forum, even your buddy, to agree with you on this. You are simply lying and you are a very good liar.

You think my not having anyone to stand up with me for the truth is proof of anything. Jesus is with me.

 

[The Biblicist]

You think my not having anyone to stand up with me for the truth is proof of anything. Jesus is with me.

Your mask is about to be removed!

 

[Moriah]

Your mask is about to be removed!

Tell us why God tests those who say they believe.
You say God saves us to cause us to believe, so then why would God test us.

 

[DHK]

Tell us why God tests those who say they believe.

He chastises his children. But he doesn't allow his children to pass through any trial that they are not able to bear.

You say God saves us to cause us to believe, so then why would God test us.

We believe. God saves us. He saves us that we might live for his glory. Our life after we belief and receive salvation is a life to be lived by faith. Faith is essential to be saved, and then it is essential in the Christian life as well.

 

[Moriah]

He chastises his children. But he doesn't allow his children to pass through any trial that they are not able to bear.

We believe. God saves us. He saves us that we might live for his glory. Our life after we belief and receive salvation is a life to be lived by faith. Faith is essential to be saved, and then it is essential in the Christian life as well.

No, testing and chastising is not the same thing.

 

[DHK]

No, testing and chastising is not the same thing.

I didn't exactly say they were. God will chasten a disobedient believer and has many ways of doing so. But since that is not the question you are asking we can disregard that.

God allows testing in a believers life. The entire book of Job speaks about trials and testing as well as the first epistle of Peter, and the first part of the first chapter of James.
Testing teaches patience.

The Christian life was never meant to be easy. It is a life meant to be lived by faith, to mold character, to conform us to the image of Christ. That can only come through trials and testing.