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Dispensational interpretation of the "eye of the needle" Rich Man

Jope

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God sent the Messiah that is how their hearts are circumcised, when they have faith in Jesus.

God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. If the Jews reject Jesus, that is disobedience. The world's sin is unbelief in Jesus, see John 16:9.

You talk about earthly Israel, but God is about what is Spiritual.

Do you believe that God forgot the everlasting covenant that He made in Abraham's flesh [Gen. 17:13] ?
 

Moriah

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Do you believe that God forgot the everlasting covenant that He made in Abraham's flesh [Gen. 17:13] ?

If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
 

Yeshua1

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If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29.

Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.


true for this current Church era, but there is still apromise to isreal, as per Apostle paul, for when yeshua returns!
 

billwald

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Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

In other words, every one whom God regenerates (elects) will be saved, no matter how impossible it appears (to BB members).
 

Moriah

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true for this current Church era, but there is still apromise to isreal, as per Apostle paul, for when yeshua returns!

Are you saying every Israeli person will be saved? Show me from the scriptures that every Israeli will be saved. I will show you scripture that says not many Jews will be saved.
Are you advocating that God is giving an earthly land to people who follow the reformed Jewish religion, and that he wants them to build a temple? No way would I ever believe that God would want an earthly temple built! No way would I ever believe that God wants the Jews to make animal sacrifices again, after Jesus the Lamb of God died for us.
Why would God care about earthly land for a people who are supposed to long for a heavenly country?
 

Yeshua1

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Are you saying every Israeli person will be saved? Show me from the scriptures that every Israeli will be saved. I will show you scripture that says not many Jews will be saved.
Are you advocating that God is giving an earthly land to people who follow the reformed Jewish religion, and that he wants them to build a temple? No way would I ever believe that God would want an earthly temple built! No way would I ever believe that God wants the Jews to make animal sacrifices again, after Jesus the Lamb of God died for us.
Why would God care about earthly land for a people who are supposed to long for a heavenly country?

i am saying that right now, the lews living there in national isreal are NOT saved apart from the new Covenant, as ONLY those placing faith in jesus will be saved...

Also saying that in end times, God will be dealing with them to convert them, and those still living at His return will be saved, for All isreal of that time shall be saved, as they will receive yeshua as their messiah!

God used their hardness and rejection of Yeshua in order to offer salvation unto BOTh jews/gentiles, but He did not forever forget/reject his people of the OT...
 

Moriah

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i am saying that right now, the lews living there in national isreal are NOT saved apart from the new Covenant, as ONLY those placing faith in jesus will be saved...
You did not answer my post. Do you believe God wants the Jews to build a temple and offer animal sacrifices?
Also saying that in end times, God will be dealing with them to convert them, and those still living at His return will be saved, for All isreal of that time shall be saved, as they will receive yeshua as their messiah!
You do not understand the scriptures. All Israel will be saved is spiritual. All Israel will be saved is about God not cutting off the Jews forever…that there will be Jews saved too with the other people.
God used their hardness and rejection of Yeshua in order to offer salvation unto BOTh jews/gentiles, but He did not forever forget/reject his people of the OT...
He “Did not forget His people of the OT”? God did not cut the Jews off permanently; they can be grafted back in if they do not persist in unbelief. Not everyone from Israel is Israel!
 

Yeshua1

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You did not answer my post. Do you believe God wants the Jews to build a temple and offer animal sacrifices?

You do not understand the scriptures. All Israel will be saved is spiritual. All Israel will be saved is about God not cutting off the Jews forever…that there will be Jews saved too with the other people.

He “Did not forget His people of the OT”? God did not cut the Jews off permanently; they can be grafted back in if they do not persist in unbelief. Not everyone from Israel is Israel!

What did paul mean that right NOW, he is dealing with mainly the gentiles, but will go back to dealing with the jews, and ALL isreal will be saved?
 

Jope

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What did paul mean that right NOW, he is dealing with mainly the gentiles, but will go back to dealing with the jews, and ALL isreal will be saved?

The children of promise.
They are not all Israel which are of Israel [Rom. 9:6-8].

Ezek. 20:38 tells us that the LORD will purge out from among Israel the rebels, and them that transgress against Him: He will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel.
 

Moriah

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What did paul mean that right NOW, he is dealing with mainly the gentiles, but will go back to dealing with the jews, and ALL isreal will be saved?

Paul said Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of Gentiles has come in. Paul is letting the Gentiles know that the Jews are not cut off forever. It must have looked as if God rejected the Jews, His people that He foreknew. Paul tells the Gentiles that Israel has experienced a hardening in part, in part because we know some Jews did believe in Jesus, for Paul himself was a Jew. Paul lets the Gentiles know Israel is not cut off forever so that they may not be conceited.
 

Moriah

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The children of promise.
They are not all Israel which are of Israel [Rom. 9:6-8].

Ezek. 20:38 tells us that the LORD will purge out from among Israel the rebels, and them that transgress against Him: He will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel.

What do you think God did when Jesus came to earth, when God cut off many Jews? Do you think God cut off Jews who believed in God and waited for the Messiah? No, God cut off Jews who honored him with their lips but whose hearts were far from Him. Only the Jews who already belonged to God could come to Jesus during Jesus’ ministry on earth. Salvation through Jesus had to be offered to those Jews first, they have waited for the Messiah…they already belonged to God, but God gave them to Jesus, they now had to go through Jesus to remain God’s.
 
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