The fallacy of Christian Psychology

[preachinjesus]

the field is based upon humanistic theories, as they deny man is a sinner in the biblical concept/model. and fail to realise that until the sin problem is dealth with by the Cross, anything else is window dressing, short term fix!

false spirituality denies the Cross of christ, so they would try to fix the sinners problem with a bandage, not the dressing God supplied by the Cross!

I don't think you know what you're talking about. You've clearly never actually sutdied anything in either psychiatrity or psychology. To make such absolute claims over a complex and wide ranging field is disingenuous.

Again, how many university classes have you sat through?

 

[Revmitchell]

Was listening to a "christian psychologist" on the radio tonight and this man made me angry. He always tried to shift blame on psyco this, psycho that, and he NEVER referred to the Bible, the Holy Spirit or anything. Folks the scripture and the Holy Spirit are the power and we must turn to them and not to psychology to solve our problems. So many so called Christian psychologists can sell lots of books, and become a greta success, but they are filled with garbage from the dumpster. Man can't solve his own sinfulness, for thats why we need God!!! These type make me mad.

MacArthur wrote a book fully showing why the Word of God is the power for life and its called Our sufficiency in Christ. Another good one focusing on the Holy Spirits power for daily living is called The Spirit Filled life by Charles Stanley.

Why degrade the entire field because of one single account. You know sometimes hyper intellectuals can rely to heavily on "scholarship" and academia but this anti-intellectualism is just as bad.

 

[SovereignMercy]

I am truly sorry that you viewed a class on an aspect of the marvel of God's highest creation as a waste of your time.

By people who are devoid of the Spirit and deny the sufficiency of Jesus and His word? We obviously have vastly different views of Jesus. I feel sorry for you as well.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't think you know what you're talking about. You've clearly never actually sutdied anything in either psychiatrity or psychology. To make such absolute claims over a complex and wide ranging field is disingenuous.

Again, how many university classes have you sat through?

Was planning to be a christian Psychologist, sat thru 4 years worth!

 

[SovereignMercy]

What university?

University of Nebraska and Grace College of the Bible.

 

[SovereignMercy]

These are good examples of complete, self-imposed ignorance. All truth is God's truth. If psychology can lead us to recognize truth, which it absolutely does, it is a tremendous blessing.

What evidence are you using? And what about all the poor people that did just fine without it for millennia?

 

[SovereignMercy]

Why a Christian doesn't need psychology.

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Why a Christian doesn't need psychology.

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And what makes you think that these verses say anything contrary to what a Christian psychologist/psychiatrist believes or teaches?

I truly hope you never have to deal with a family member who is dealing with depression or suicide (I have- it is not a light matter). And if you do, I hope that you will not just throw a Bible at them and say "Read this, it has the answers to all of your problems."

Not all psychological and psychiatric are spiritual in nature. Many times they can have a physical basis. It is a folly and a denial of our weakness as created beings (which God himself recognizes) to claim that everything can be "cured" with a spiritual remedy. Prayer of course is the first resort, but many times God wants us to put feet to our prayers and go to doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists also.

Many Christians look down on psychology and psychiatry out of pride. They say, "It will never happen to me". I hope and pray that it doesn't. But if it does may God grant you the wisdom to get the help you need from a professional.

 

[Mexdeaf]

By people who are devoid of the Spirit and deny the sufficiency of Jesus and His word? We obviously have vastly different views of Jesus. I feel sorry for you as well.

Please read carefully- I never said I was sorry FOR you.

Jesus said the children of this world are wiser in their time than the children of light. I take that to mean that we can learn things from people in this world that will help us in our pilgrimage down here even though those things are not necessarily spiritual in nature.

 

[Mexdeaf]

false spirituality denies the Cross of christ, so they would try to fix the sinners problem with a bandage, not the dressing God supplied by the Cross!

But the cross does not "fix" us. We still have to live with the results of sin- whether they be mental, physical, or spiritual in nature. Thus the need for doctors, hospitals, medicines, and psychology.

 

[annsni]

It is an excellent counselor who understands psychology AND the Scriptures. They have taken the good from psychology and use it alongside the Scriptures to be able to wholly address the issues before him. I've known of 3 such psychologists in my life. They are rare but when you find them, they are usually quite busy because it works.

 

[Yeshua1]

But the cross does not "fix" us. We still have to live with the results of sin- whether they be mental, physical, or spiritual in nature. Thus the need for doctors, hospitals, medicines, and psychology.

I am not advocating that chrsitians might niot need medication at times, or a genuine need for couseling, but am against them going to get advise from those whose traing would undercut the Cross and personal sin!

 

[Mexdeaf]

I am not advocating that chrsitians might niot need medication at times, or a genuine need for couseling, but am against them going to get advise from those whose traing would undercut the Cross and personal sin!

So I assume that you would never advise a Christian to go to a medical doctor who is an unbeliever? Or take classes from a teacher who is an unbeliever?

Do you see the fallacy here?

 

[Yeshua1]

So I assume that you would never advise a Christian to go to a medical doctor who is an unbeliever? Or take classes from a teacher who is an unbeliever?

Do you see the fallacy here?

No, as a medical DR is assisting strictly physical conditions, but Psy involves the spiritual side of man, and the Cross is the foundation to start from in regards to that, but naturalistic/materialistic Psychology refuses that aid!

 

[Mexdeaf]

No, as a medical DR is assisting strictly physical conditions, but Psy involves the spiritual side of man, and the Cross is the foundation to start from in regards to that, but naturalistic/materialistic Psychology refuses that aid!

Fallacious thinking again. Medical problems may very well be spiritual in nature as well.

 

[Yeshua1]

Fallacious thinking again. Medical problems may very well be spiritual in nature as well.

Could be , but the difference is again the medical dr should seek out thsoe who nurture to that aspect of man, the Christians!

 

[SovereignMercy]

What evidence are you using? And what about all the poor people that did just fine without it for millennia?

Please answer this question mexdeaf. And yes I have gone through depression as have some of my friends and family. I still contend that the Bible, the Holy Spirit and Christian fellowship are more than enough to get a believer through any situation. I went to a "christian" psychologist many years ago and his answer was to put me on meds. I couldn't sleep the night before and decided if Jesus couldn't get me out of it then I didn't want out. I quit going to the psychologist and started meeting with an older pastor. The first thing he told me was to get up in the morning and thank God for all the good He had done in my past and look for what to be thankful for now. The scripture tells us to enter His gates with thanksgiving. Another friend told me to quit thinking about myself and to devote my life to helping others. Both admonition have served me well the last 25 years.

 

[Mexdeaf]

What evidence are you using? And what about all the poor people that did just fine without it for millennia?

I missed this earlier.

What did people do for millennia?

1) They were demonized and ostracized by others, especially by the "church".

2) They either killed themselves or were killed.

3) They were sent to 'exorcists'.

4) They were jailed.

And I'm sure that I missed quite a few.

There are levels of depression. Prayer and the Scriptures may be fine for some with mild forms of depression. But for more severe cases and for other psychosomatic disorders, a visit to a psychiatrist or psychologist is necessary. A good licensed Christian one is preferred, of course- but in many less-populated areas of the country this is not an option.

Regardless, a licensed practitioner is bound by his COE (Code Of Ethics) to respect the spiritual beliefs and orientation of his patients and interact with them accordingly.

 

[SovereignMercy]

I missed this earlier.

What did people do for millennia?

1) They were demonized and ostracized by others, especially by the "church".

2) They either killed themselves or were killed.

3) They were sent to 'exorcists'.

4) They were jailed.

And I'm sure that I missed quite a few.

There are levels of depression. Prayer and the Scriptures may be fine for some with mild forms of depression. But for more severe cases and for other psychosomatic disorders, a visit to a psychiatrist or psychologist is necessary. A good licensed Christian one is preferred, of course- but in many less-populated areas of the country this is not an option.

Regardless, a licensed practitioner is bound by his COE (Code Of Ethics) to respect the spiritual beliefs and orientation of his patients and interact with them accordingly.

If only Jesus had discovered psychology and psychiatry... you have a very low view of the Gospel and the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[Mexdeaf]

If only Jesus had discovered psychology and psychiatry... you have a very low view of the Gospel and the Jesus of the Bible.

And you must be very perspicacious to be able to determine all of my beliefs based on my comments on this thread.