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The ~source~ JOHN 19:31 defines “that day great day sabbath” of the passover 15 Abib:
“was The Preparation”—the “Preparation” which the ~source~ Mark 15:42 defines, “was The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” --- the Sixth Day of the week, ‘Friday’.

 

What on earth for?!

Because YOU beforehand had decided it was the YEAR “~31 AD~”

WHAT the year ~31 AD~ FOR?

Because I cannot have my theory if it's not "~31 AD~" and I WILL HAVE MY THEORY because of the "~contradictions between the gospels~".

 

You really did … … You?!

Shucks!

"~173,880 confirmed it is correct~"?!

Amazing!

Very insightful ... ... ...

... shame ...

 

Leviticus 23:5, “In the fourteenth day of the First Month mid-afternoon is the LORD’S passover (killed).
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast / Eating of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.”

In John’s words, “the first night” unleavened bread was eaten, was “The Preparation”—“which was (‘Friday’) the Fore-Sabbath”. John 19:31,39 Mark 15:42.

In other words, “~Days of ULB started~”, “evening”, “the first night” and Feast of passover (Abib 15 the day after Abib 14 on which “they killed the passover”).
It was not the Sabbath the Seventh Day of the week, but the “great day sabbath” which happened to fall on “The Preparation” the Sixth Day (‘Friday’).

Of course, this means the whole passover lasted 8 days. One needs to be able to count 1 plus 7 = 8 to ~confirm~ it; he does not have to depend on Josephus or on doctors in theology.

“~Your Info about the separate counting system for the day-night between Northern and Southern Israel~”, is quite USELESS and unfounded speculation sucked from your big toe.
Thanks.

 

Leviticus 23:5, “In the fourteenth day of the First Month mid-afternoon is the LORD’S passover (killed).
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast / Eating of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.”

In John’s words, “the first night” unleavened bread was eaten, was “The Preparation”—“which was (‘Friday’) the Fore-Sabbath”. John 19:31,39 Mark 15:42.

In other words, “~Days of ULB started~”, “evening”, “the first night” and Feast of passover (Abib 15 the day after Abib 14 on which “they killed the passover”).
It was not the Sabbath the Seventh Day of the week, but the “great day sabbath” which happened to fall on “The Preparation” the Sixth Day (‘Friday’).

Of course, this means the whole passover lasted 8 days. One needs to be able to count 1 plus 7 = 8 to ~confirm~ it; he does not have to depend on Josephus or on doctors in theology.

“~Your Info about the separate counting system for the day-night between Northern and Southern Israel~”, is quite USELESS and unfounded speculation sucked from your big toe.

Thanks.

 

Dr. Cassidy,

Thank you soooo much!
That is exactly what I wanted to have!
You have got me such one soooo easily! Thank you!

Actually I have been to London UK, last month as my daughter lives there, and she suggested me to go to Greenwich, but I was not sure whether I can have a chance to discuss about this kind of calculation around 28-34 AD and 06-03BC, then I gave up going there.

Instead I checked with British Museum that they moved the Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus to British Library.
At British Library I have seen Aleph, Lisbon Masora 1492, Lindisfarne English Gospel, etc.
Aleph was hardly readable and had many corrections.


I may need some time to read and understand your information about Crucifixion Pasover date.

Indeed, if the passover was Monday in 32 AD, we can hardly include the Passover Sabbath and Weekly Sabbath( Regular Sabbath) while Jesus was in the tomb.

I may have to re-consider 31 AD too. Then I have to check the starting day from 445BC as well.

This may take quite a time.


Dr. Cassidy, Thank you so much again!


Eliyahu

 

GE,


If you have never read the Book, < Coming Prince > by Sir Robert Anderson, you can forget about that issue.

You can just imagine whatever you like.

FYI, he was the Director General of British CIA during Queen Victoria and checked with all the data of Greenwich Royal Observatory, about the dates and equinox, etc.
Then he compared with all the data from Bible, Josephus, Herodotus, Zumpt, Clint, etc.

69 weeks means 483 years by prophetic calendar which has 360 days per year, resulting in 483 x 360 days = 173,880
Prophetic year can be confirmed as we read Noah's ark story in Genesis 6-8.

You may disregard this if you don't like it!

Eliyahu

 

Dr. Cassidy,


Thanks anyway.

BTW, I sometimes used to quote your article about the Church History, In Defense of Biblical Churches.

That is based on very much correct stance, with the view to the True Biblical Churches and is quite concise but contains much information.

Thank you very much for such precious article too.


Eliyahu.

 

I did not say anything regarding or ~disregarding~ Anderson's book or whatever findings he made in his book.

I say while you pretend you properly regard Anderson’s book, you are the one who raise questions and doubts about things not at all the subject of Anderson’s book while disregarding his findings as far as you go.

Here is what you ‘found’, ~regarding Anderson’s book~ : <~Indeed, if the passover was Monday in 32 AD, we can hardly include the Passover Sabbath and Weekly Sabbath( Regular Sabbath) while Jesus was in the tomb. … I may have to re-consider 31 AD too. Then I have to check the starting day from 445BC as well.~>

Now I have not read his book, but this I can state without hesitation or doubt that Anderson never wrote a paragraph, a sentence, a word, about anything like <~the passover was~> or <~we can hardly include the Passover Sabbath and Weekly Sabbath( Regular Sabbath)~> or <~while Jesus was in the tomb~>

I can bet Anderson never knew of you or your abuse of his book many years after he wrote it.

And that Anderson ever thought of some date <~445BC~>, or that some date <~445BC~> was <~the starting day from 445BC~> of something never dreamt of in the time of ~Queen Victoria~ ---- man, is just too outrages to imagine!

Seriously now, ARE YOU OK IN YOUR HEAD?

If you think nothing is wrong upstairs, think again, because these absurdities so far, sprout from your real insanity --- the insanity of your AXIOMATIC PRESUPPOSITION of a false and non-existing dogmatic ‘principle’ that ~NO WORK shall be done on ‘ceremonial’ and the weekly sabbaths~.

It is this ridiculous misconception of the Torah’s instructions with regard to the passover which make you feel Joseph could not have BURIED Jesus on the passover-sabbath and THEREFORE --- and for nothing in the universe else --- he had to have buried the body the day before the passover-sabbath.

It is also due to THIS fallacy of your religious system which forces you to dogmatize that ~the women bought and prepared the spices~> on an imaginary day between the passover’s sabbath and the weekly Sabbath.

SO YOU SEARCHED HMNA UNTIL you found what was indispensible for your farcical religious almanac of the passover of the LORD, viz., a WEDNESDAY fourteenth day of the Jewish First Month of the year.

Thus worked the INSANE heads of ALL Wednesday Crossites to arrive at the dates and days and year they ASSUMED, but which Paul declared any who observe, shall be accursed and Christ shall avail nothing for.

It is all bogus legalist non-Scriptural VANITY of no work on any sabbath day. That's its HEART AND FIBRE OF AIRINESS. "Of CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE OF SABBATHS' FEAST" ALL BONE HAS BEEN SEVERED.

 

You can start with Acts 10.
Acts 10:1-30 King James Version (KJV)

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

5 And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:

6 He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

7 And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;

8 And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:

10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18 And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20 Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21 Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23 Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24 And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?

30 And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,

Please pay attention to the TIME element in this narrative for now.

1. V3- Cornelius has a vision about 1500H, sends out his servants the same day
2. V9- they arrive in Joppa the NEXT day around 1200H
3. V23- they lodged and the NEXT day they left for Caesarea
4. V24- they arrived in Caesarea the NEXT day

And finally,
5. V30- Cornelius says he had a vision FOUR days ago. Can we identify these days?

Day #1 would be when Cornelius had a vision at ~1500H and sent off his messengers. Jewish days ended at sunset so the day ended about 4 hours later.
Day #2 would be the day they arrived and lodged at Joppa
Day #3 would be the day they together with Peter left for Caesarea
Day #4 would be the day they arrived

So Cornelius included the very day they arrived in sharing the timing of the vision as a full day together with the day he sent them off.

Let's assume they arrived in Caesarea late in the evening on day 4. You have a period of 72 hours reckoned as 4 days. Now, it's your turn to do the Maths; count for me the number of nights inside these four days.

Please note the narrative has no 'days and nights' idiom. But it serves very important lessons chiefly being a part of a day is regarded as a full day in normal speech.

Now, let's look at a specific example of 'days and nights' idiom.
Esther 4:16, 5:1(KJV)
16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish....

(KJV) 5 Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house

Please note Esther appeared before the King on the THIRD day. Third from what? The last day of the fasting where she broke the fast of course. Supposing the fast lasted three literal days and nights, and using the Acts 10 method of reckoning days. She would have appeared before the King on the FOURTH day not third. To prove it, let's try counting days inside a three literal days and nights period and tell me when the last day/night would fall. Remember a days starts and ends at dusk.

Supposing the fasting started on Monday morning. Monday morning and night, Tuesday the same and Wednesday. The fasting would end on Thurdsay morning at the earliest. So Thursday is our THIRD day. This makes Wednesday our SECOND day, Tuesday our FIRST day. What do we do with Monday?

But if we reckon 'three days and three nights' to be 3 normal Jewish days, the Monday fast terminates on Wednesday and on the same day she stands before the king

 

Sure:


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+8:31&version=KJV


God bless.

 

Sure: since both days and nights are also used by the Lord to describe the period He would lie in the grave this verse illustrates that days and nights and days are both used to refer to the same event. In other words, there is no demand on Scripture to satisfy both periods of the day which fifth day believers like myself have to spend great amounts of time trying to defend.

Quest over?

Good...glad I could help.




God bless.

 

Ok. Let's try another approach.
Here is my logic;
1. Demonstrate from scriptures that 'three days and three nights' EQUALLY means 'three days'
2. Demonstrate that inside a literal three-days-and-three-nights period we would have OVER three Jewish days
3. Demonstrate from the scriptures that the resurrection Sunday was the third day since the Passion and death of Jesus Christ, Saturday was the second day and Friday MUST have been the first day, the day he was crucified
4. Following 1-3, conclude that 'three days and three nights' as applied in regard to the death and resurrection of our Lord, whatever meaning may be ascribed to the phrase is NOT a literal three days and three nights as it would contradict #1 and #3

If this would answer your question, please let me know so I can proceed

 

Refer to my previous post. One way of identifying a metaphor is by proving that it's literal mean would be utterly absurd/impossible. The other one is demonstrating common usage of the same. An example would be 'raining cats and dogs'. We can prove that it has NEVER rained animals (it did in Thailand) or that the phrase is used whenever there are heavy rains.

Shall we prove that 'three days and three nights' is an idiom and not literal 72hours ?

 

"Three days and three nights" as a phrase in any language is what it is, 'literal' for the reality of three days and three nights.

It is no <metaphor> and it is no <idiom>.