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Luke if we would go back and look at most Baptists from 100 years ago we would see the majority being Calvinists. The SBC specifically has abandoned the Doctrines of Grace they once wholeheartedly embraced. Very sad.

 

So, Episcopalians are all Calvinists? :laugh: :laugh:

 

A very fascinating list. The only thing that puzzles me is the Calvin-Episcopile connection. Since they were once connected to the Anglican church, and are the closest of the protestant denominations to the RCC, I am surprised that there is that close of a connection between the Episcopalian church and Calvinism.

And yes, I have heard of the 39 articles.

 

So John Shelby Spong is a Calvinist?

 

When you turn away from the truth you turn into John Shelby Spong....or someone who moves to Bismark ND....and makes gutless drive by posts then runs away without any biblical content being offered.

 

They certainly were not. You are obviously ignorant of the history and theology of the Anglican Communion (and I don't say that in a mean sense). Have you ever heard of the Elizabethan Settlement? Considering what had happened under Henry, Edward, and Mary, Elizabeth wanted to make the Church of England appealing and acceptable to as wide a segment of the English populace as was possible. This Settlement essentially made Anglicanism comprehensive and able to give shelter to many systems and parties, including High Church, Low Church, Broad Church, those with Lutheran sympathies and doctrines,those with Eastern Orthodox sympathies and doctrines, Arminians, Calvinists, Anglo-Catholics, Evangelicals, and later holiness, pentecostal, and more, all using and claiming to adhere to the 39 Articles.

You might want to study Anglicanism more thoroughly before making blanket statements that are not historically accurate.

 

My impression is that their Calvinism and the Calvinism you support are very different beliefs. I doubt they would recognize much of what is touted by Hyper-Calvinists as a Calvinism they believe in.

I doubt that Calvin would recognize muc ow what is touted as Calvinism today.

There was a Calanist scholar, widely known and published, who gave lectures here several years ago. I made the above statements to him in a question form and he agreed saying, "Calvin would not recognize many of the beliefs ascribed to him today."

I do not have permission from this scholar to publish his name. I can supply it to you via private message if you desire to read his writings.

 

As I said in the earlier post, I do not have this scholar's permission to name him in a public forum like this one. I can send you his name privately if you would like. It certainly is supported in what he said to me and in his writings. In effect he said that Calvin would recognize many of the beliefs attributed to him my modern Calvinists. Now you may not like that idea, but that is the idea he expressed ... and he does have an international reputation for scholarship.

Have you read the book, by another author, High Calvinists In Action: Calvinism and the City, Manchester and London, 1810-1860?

I would also like to know if you agree with the following statement?

 

Gentlemen...so why do you still have anything to do with them?

 

And the Methodist may have well been Calvinists also!

 

I am not arguing that there was not Calvinist influence in the Articles. Archbishop Cranmer was influenced by Continental Protestantism, including Calvinism but also Lutheranism. Lutheranism was as influential on Cranmer as Calvinism was, maybe more so. After the Settlement, the Church of England and Anglicanism came to function as a "via media" between Protestantism and Catholicism.

Episcopalians have strayed from the Articles over the last 100 years? Please! Ever heard of the Oxford Movement? This was a movement in the Church of England in the early to mid-1800's High Church Party that produced Anglo-Catholicism. The High Church party which had always existed in the COE back to the Settlement was Catholic in its sympathies, certainly the antithesis to Calvinism.

John Wesley was a High Church Anglican prior to his "evangelical" conversion after which he retained his Arminianism.

Calvinists were and are only one party in the Anglican Church and not the largest one, either. There are many such parties.

I wrote my master's thesis on the Elizabethan Settlement, its aftermath and effect on British Christianity, including the Baptists in Britain, so I know what I'm talking about.

As I said, it would do you good to thoroughly study the history of Anglicanism.

 

Yes..... they sold out on that whole slavery thing too

:laugh:SORRY... I just couldn't resist any longer, It popped in my head the second I read this post 10 hours ago, and I've been exercising restraint since then. :laugh:

 

Jon Chauvin, aka John Calvin, and his religious progeny are pedobaptists. Church of England(Anglican, Episcopal and splinters) are pedo baptists. The RCC is pedobaptist. The RCC is the mother of the above. The daughters have a lot in common with their mother, including the error of infant baptism.

True Baptists are not pedobaptists. Many of them have died refusing to baptize their infants. True Baptists are not splinters of the so-called Protestant Reformation of the RCC. True Baptists have refused to recognize Rome as a church of God.

How soon we forget.

High, middle or low, most of this Calvinism stuff is ecumenical smoke screen.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James