Featured Self-righteousness in Christianity

Yes I do & always have.... but you are not going to persuade anyone by what you are attempting now. Both you & I fervently believe in historical orthodoxy, salvation by grace alone (sola gratia) but you are now contending for position with those who have added divine grace plus human effort .... thats their position & they have held it for a long time. To my way of thinking & Im sure yours as well, that is a theological dislocation that will lead to the eventual abandonment of orthodoxy.

What I attempted to explain to you in an earlier message is that we have people who do sit back & observe. Do we want them to view us as the offensive & nasty side of the argument & drive these people to become Arminians.....as Paul stated "God Forbid"! :laugh: Rather we want them to understand & appreciate the meaning of the Reformed faith (& accept rather than reject our understanding)

Brother, and you only do that by scholarly & genteel debate & persuasion. Take the high road. Allow the "Paul Washers" of the world to agitate the masses. Unless of course, If you want to join Paul on the missionary field, thats your prerogative. As for me, this place is a great learning tool for how to deal with people without leaving your seat. Pray for me though, Im an itinerant with a bible in hand trying to bring people from NJ to the lord. It aint easy.

 

You could be right, that it is present in some. But I'm convinced from the posts I have read that there are at least SOME who would agree with you on many points, except they honestly believe your caustic approach to not be helpful, or biblically called for, and who simply say so because it is what they believe, not because they want to fit in with everyone else who is saying so.

Thanks.

Absolutely right, but as you are fond of saying, God gave us other Christians to help us learn, and it would be foolish to ignore them. And so, if I were to begin a line of threads that nearly every other Christian who reads, regardless of theological position, believes to be promoting an unhelpful spirit...I would take that advice into consideration.

I'm not advocating not being direct. Directness is one of your good points.
I'm advocating not being rude.

I did consider your posts and arguments. I grant that the majority of your statements are correct, just that often the tone makes the message hard to see. You are, of course, correct that I want to be a people-pleaser, that I am self-righteous, and can find something in most people that makes me feel superior (although at the same time, I can also find something in every other person to envy...so with most people, I am both feeling superior to them and envying something about them at the same time). It is something I must constantly work against. I don't believe, however, that finding someone who is saying stupid, or untrue things, and being as mean as possible to them is the way to combat my own self-righteousness and people-pleasing.

 

Would somebody please point out what theology is being discussed in this thread?

Why is this.....thing allowed to go on? C'mon mods, shut it down!

 

The irony :laugh:

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Asking why I wouldn't talk to someone in my church as I would my children reminds me of the quote 'better to keep ones mouth shut and thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt'.

Not really, but I'm sure she would suffice. Those that bark the loudest usually tend to put their tails between their legs and whimper away.

<insert Charlie Brown's teacher talking>

Is this the point where you send me a pm threatening a fight like a couple years ago? You might portray the scholarly, intellectual type trying to bring Gods truth to the world, but I see right through you. You are a cowardly, internet bully...the worst kind of cyber bully there is. Go back under your bridge.

 

:thumbsup: This series of threads are nothing more than attempts to pick fights.

 

Me - Is this the point where you send me a pm threatening a fight like a couple years ago?

Luke - I did no such thing. Try and be honest. You said this same crud you are saying here claiming I would not be so blunt to your face and I invited you to try me.

Be honest.

Yeah, I think we see EXACTLY who is honest. You make one horrible liar.

 

I entered this thread to point out along with everyone else your methods are ridiculous, but you are the only one who doesn't get it. At any rate, the way I interact with you should be commended by you, isn't this the very point you are trying to make thread after thread...that its perfectly 'logical' and biblical to engage each other in this manner? The fact is you are neither here to engage in debate or educate, you are here to merely spew chunks.

 

If he acted this arrogantly with his congregation like he does here he'd be out on his can and rightfully so. I certainly hope he doesn't treat his wife or child this way. God help them if he does.

 

You guys gotta stop meeting like this...your wives are gonna get jealous! :tongue3:

 

What is the purpose of this thread other than to argue?

 

A better question, I think, would be to ask yourself what your motivation for starting this type of thread is: discussion of doctrine and theology with (presumably) your brethren or fighting with them.

The evidence shown by numerous posts that you have made suggests that you have a greater interest in fighting with than fellowshipping with your brothers in Christ.

Each of us has a reputation, and for the most part we are responsible for our own. What do you think yours is on the BB?

I say these things as kindly as I can.

 

What did I tell you about hypocracy. And remember we all wallow in it.

 

Before you go down that road, I hope you remember your dealings with a brother.