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"The stallions hang out in bars; the geldings hang out in church." David Murrow.

Mark Driscol said the church has produced "a bunch of nice, soft, tender, chickified church boys. … Sixty percent of Christians are chicks," he explains, "and the forty percent that are dudes are still sort of chicks."

I think this is true as unpleasant as it may make men who are "chickified" themselves feel.

I grew up in a rough crowd.

Most of the men I grew up with would find this Joel Osteen type ministry to be repulsive. And not just the substance of it, but the STYLE of it. I know most of you would be against the substance but some of you seem to embrace the style.

Men who pull wire, hang sheet rock, roof houses, plow fields, ride horses, lay pipe, hang shingles, pave roads, come home to Monday Night Football and a few beers, rent a UFC pay-per-view every once in a while, etc... tend to find Christian men who mince words and speak sweetly to be effeminate.

I have had the greatest success looking them in the eye and telling them, "Look man- you walk on God's earth, you breath his air. It is wickedness for you to refuse to serve him."

You'll reach them by being REAL a whole lot better than by being "sweet".

We wonder why our churches are full of mostly women- it is the utter repudiation of manliness like that that so many do on this very board often.

 

What does "fear" have to do with it? Why would ANYBODY on EARTH be "AFRAID" to sing in a choir???

Who said manly men don't sing in the choir????

Are you actually addressing ME and I said???

So what's your point??? And to WHOM are you trying to make it??

Who has said ANYTHING contrary to anything you say here???

So what's your point?

Who said manliness is not compatible with those things?

Who are you addressing- because you used my name and I can't see why.

Then take offense. That's up to you. But the facts are the facts and most of the men who are like the ones I describe are not going to love Joel Osteen type ministers.

Men who run their homes, who work hard, actually HAVE TESTOSTERONE.... they simply are not going to like that kind of ministry.

You are hopefully not eat up with testosterone so I don't know if you can understand this.

But I think you may have a PROBLEM with men who are authoritative, aggressive, leaders who are not afraid to fight and make the hard decision with or without full support from their wives.

Am I right?

No man will open his mouth at the judgment. Neither will any woman.

But many women and sissified ministers will HEAR from God a fierce rebuke for making ministry so effeminate when God himself is masculine and always intended for the church to be led by masculine men- not women and woman-like men.

No, no, they are GIVEN a good excuse by the likes of women and sissified men.

Will it hold up? Nope. Neither will the excuses given by sissified men for effeminizing the church in this age.

It was OBVIOUSLY hyperbole. Driscol pastors one of the largest churches on earth and he doesn't think his men are like that.

He OBVIOUSLY was saying that wussiness is rampant in the church today and he is right.

I would not be comfortable with a man keeping my small children- nor should they desire to do so.

 

I don't know all the answers but for one thing we could stop repudiating manliness and aggressiveness or ANYTHING testosterone driven in our churches.

We can stop expecting men to be and think like women.

We can stop being so focused on FEELINGS and focus more on reason and logic.

We can stop our young male singers from singing effeminately for church specials. This is hard to illustrate on a forum like this.

We can encourage men to make most of the decisions in the home and the church and expect women to support them.

We can have activities that are uniquely manly for men- skeet shooting, wilderness camping, quail hunting, wild game suppers, drag races, tractor pulls, etc... (yes I know some of you women like these things too. That's fine, I don't want to argue about that).

We can start teaching our little boys to grow up to be responsible providers and defenders and leaders of the home and start teaching our little girls to support their husbands not try to be their authoritative equals.

I could go on.

 

How does what I said lead you to that conclusion?

I don't know what you mean by bull in a china shop. Did I say that?

What did I say that made you use that reference.

You can do either in a manly way. What is killing us with men is expecting men to talk to men like women talk to women.

Even hurting men do not want to be coddled and caressed by other men. They just want a man to say, "Hey, Dude- I know its tough. Hang in there. God is on his throne and he is going to work this out for his glory. The thing you need to do is make sure you surrender your self to Him."

 

How so?

Is this yet another drive-by insult post- one in which you make an insulting claim offering no support and then flee for the hills?

I don't know how a person has a conscience that allows them to do this?

Are you a man? I honestly don't know.

 

So what is your point?

How in the world do you think this post has anything to do with this thread.

 

Yea, I've done all of that, too. What's your point??

Once again, what is your point? how have you said anything contrary to what I have purported??

Now thats a bit silly.

Love is the manliest attribute?

So when women love they are displaying the manliest attribute of all?

Can you not see how ridiculous that is?

Men should love because they are people- not because they are men.

This is part of the problem with Christians these days. When you ask them what makes a man uniquely a man they start listing stuff that women are just as suited for or more so.

This is the problem. You don't even know what being a man MEANS. You define it as being womanly or at least as doing the same things women excel in.

Being a man means changing diapers and singing high tenor and what else? being dainty (the opposite of a bull in a china shop), wearing lace, deferring to women (wait a minute!!! HA! you actually DID list that one!)