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Agreed....It is an interesting fact that the first man mentioned in the Bible as being "MEEK" was Moses....yes...Moses.

Not a metro-sexual Jeremiah who was crying or squelching all the time...but MOSES...(Charleton Heston) if you prefer...
A MAN...his PRIMARY attribute was strength. "Meekness" is "strength" under control...but you have to have the "strength" first...the modern era is big on the control...nil on the strength..

 

You wrote:

...which is simultaneously an insult and a strawman. Your comment about men on BB admiring the style of Joel Osteen's ministry is likewise a strawman and an insulting claim with no support.

You are not even aware you do this sort of thing, which is amazingly ignorant.

Yes, precisely, how can you do it?

If you are wondering the gender of InTheLight, yes I am a male. I'm a man who does manly things in a manly manner, like pull wire, hang sheet rock, replace transmissions with other manly men, as well. <rolls eyes>

You really need to quit looking to pick fights with people by posting deliberately provocative stuff that has no basis in fact.

 

I do not disagree that there has been a feminization of men in America, and the church has not been immune to this. It is judgment on the church when men abdicate their God-ordained role (Judges 4:9). That said, true manhood comes from internal character; character that has been molded by the Spirit. There are times when being a man requires being direct or even blunt. It sometimes requires confrontation of wrong doing. Conversely being a man sometimes is proven through compassion and kindness. I had the honor of watching my maternal grandfather show me what being a man was all about. He was a big strapping Italian with hands the size of tennis rackets. He exuded intimidation by his physical presence. He was firm, yet kind hearted. He commanded respect without fear. He measured his words and meant what he said. He gave me an example that is hard to live up to.

 

Sounds to me like you have this covered....I don't quite recognize how grampa's status as an (Italian) is more signifigant than mine as a (Norwegian)...but, perhaps you only mentioned it as an ancillary fact. Anyway...this Italian Grampa of yours sounds like a man that I'd be proud to know. :thumbs: He sounds like a real "Man"...and someone who taught you well :thumbsup:

 

Seriously??
Please tell me that the inestimable (I do admire him in many ways) JoJ...did NOT actually say anything like this, perhaps you misunderstood him?

What did he say to the woman in Mark chapter 8 about how one doesn't feed to "dogs" that which belongs to "children"...Jesus was never "harsh"?? Gimme a break.
The woman's response was PURE GOLD BTW...:smilewinkgrin:

 

Luke, I have read through all of this thread and I must say you talk out of both sides of your mouth. You really seem confused.

In my life I have noticed that those you men, the stallions as you said earlier, are almost universally loud mouth, arrogant bullies who when push comes to shove are not to be found.

I have found the real "stallions" often to be quiet, gentle men who have steel under the surface and do not have to let it show to impress others. I remember loud mouth GIs when I was in the army. They were not the tough fellows. In turn, I never met a loud mouth Green Beret. Those I met were always respectful, quiet talking and interesting. Interestingly the loud mouth fellows never challenged the Green Beret's. We all knew who to trust when push came to shove.

The same has been true through the rest of my life. If I want tough, dedicated, trustful men I do not go out looking for the beer drinking, loud mouth fellows. I look for the quiet, built of steel men. They are in all churches if you just but look below the surface. I want dedication, not bluster.

Come to the little church I attend and I will introduce you to some very gentle, quiet, tough men.

Blessings.

 

You are correct--you did not say ADMIRE, you said EMBRACE Osteen's style.

I have not seen you confront them on gentleness as a universal rule for Christians, so perhaps I was misplacing my strawman allegation. If so, I apologize.

OK, let's say there are several on this board that advocate universal gentleness. That's a far cry from your OP where it was stated "40% of the guys in churches are chicks". Using Osteen as an example of sissified-ness and then claiming posters on BB embrace his style is guilt by association.

 

Two words to characterize this post.

Bull Sh--.

You need to read a little on Richard Wurmbrand and the thousands suffering everyday for the name of Christ, who eschew your worldly view of manhood, and see if you could handle a tenth of the persecution.

Wuss.

You sound like a Calvinist, but you smell like an Arminian.

 

You almost nailed it!!!! Not quite though..... the Calvinist has NO interest in the human prospective, human ability etc.... It is all of God! What we see here is an attempt at disassociation with the faith..... any wonder why the Armianians are applauding, and the aroma ( like cheap cologne), is nauseating!

 

:applause::applause::applause:

 

:thumbs: Second that.

 

Thank you for insulting my intelligence. This type of reply is why I rarely debate with you.

Sorry Luke, but arrogance, bull-headedness, and pushiness are not attributes of a manly man. They are attributes of a fool.

 

While I despise feeding the trolls;

Luke and heiro are playing games. It seems as if they are enjoying stirring the pot and causing dissension.

They talk about men and being manly. But they're simply little boys playing with power tools that they either don't understand or are purposefully choosing to use them to mislead and once again, cause dissension.

What a waste of intelligence and a sad pretense of manliness.