Featured John Calvin said...

I see.

Yet, it is not without the scope of reason that Calvin or any NUMBER of brilliant men might have said something that ridiculous in their day.


Brilliance in any one area does not mean brilliance in all areas. And just because one is terribly ignorant in one area, it does not mean he is terribly ignorant in all areas.

One can be a blathering idiot in one area and be a pure genius in another. That is often the case in history.

Calvin HAS said some things that are terribly flawed. My point is, so what?

What is one's point when he supplies such quotes?

 

Proves I'm no fruitcake.

 

just proves that God blessed Calvin with the spiritual giftings needed to be a teacher and theologian, but not a scientist!

 

God forbid!!!!

 

No one called you a fruitcake, but it does give very good insight into knowledge of theology and history. You know, kind of like the Constitution.

 

No, you underestimate his scientific abilities. He knew the three elements of a fire, ie, oxygen, a fuel source (wood and Michael Servetus), and a source of heat.

 

Still banging that gong, eh?

 

You always bring him up. Is this your idea of a Christ filled life?

 

You do know what a crackpot Servitus was though right? & you do know that both the RC's & the Lutherans had warrants out for his arrest for immediate execution, right? And Calvin could have just as easily turned him in to these two groups & they would have gladly & unceremoniously burned him at the stake (the common execution for heretics). It was just Calvinists bad luck that this guy darkened his door rather than the others. Calvin's recourse I guess could have been to have him rot in prison I suppose but he was in fact a heretic who actually provoked his own execution.

 

What unmitigated drivel!

Calvin's bad luck?!?! Who got murdered? Certainly not Calvin.

The part I bolded is absolute falsehood. That can be proven, but why should I bother.

It's amazing to me that people can't be objective about those whom they agree with theologically.

 

Well check this out--a quote from Servetus "The Son was sent from the Father in no other way than as one of the Prophets."another; he also called all who believe in the Trinity, ...his words, "true atheists". See to our little hero, Jesus was a man who became the Son of God, not an equal or co-eternal with the Father.

Not to mention his announcement to everyone that the end of the world was at hand, that the Archangel Michael would lead a holy war against the papal and the Genevese Antichrists (must have endeared him to the Catholics) , and that he, who had been named after the Archangel, would fight & die in the war.

 

Whatever he said did not justify his murder. A heretic is in the eye of the beholder. The term is used regularly around this board referring to other posters. In this country, Calvin is the one who would have been on death row.

 

Yea. But wasn't.

 

So what redeemable qualities do you see in the life of this "man?" What evidence do you see of the fruits of the Holy Spirit manifested in him? What possible justification is there to have named an entire doctrine, the Doctrine of Grace, after his name? What similarities do you see between his life and the life of Christ? So do you like his ideas about baptism or seperation of church and state better?

 

I am not a Calvinist

 

I have had enough posts with you to know that. Believing in Doctrines of Grace and Sovereignty does not require an admiration of John Calvin. No one alive today chose the name to represent the fact that God is sovereign.

 

And you think his opinions were justification for his being murdered? Baptists were persecuted, imprisoned, and died for the right of religious liberty for all!

 

I did not say that...don't put words in my mouth.

 

Rolls eyes. Sighs heavily.

 

Thats great, your multitask along with all your other talents.