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Think that the Lord would be warning against those who dare to claim his anme, and say the HS is involved in doctrines and practices that too many times are NOT from the Bible, but deluding demonic 'truths!"

heed the warning of jesus that there will be many false signs and wonders performed by satan in last days, and that MANY shall receive condemnation, for though they claimed they were doing those great things in his name, they NEVER were His Sheep!

Do you agree with much of the false teaching inCharasmatic churches regarding the nature and work of the HS for today?

 

The Danger of Speaking in Tongues

But the person who plays the game with speaking in tongues is playing with the devil and in the end can be hurt very much. The modern practice of tongues is exactly the same that Hinduists and practitioners of Yoga[1] have practiced for centuries which they call kundalini[2]. They have the concept that this phenomenon is to release “the power of the serpent” that resides in every person. This can be brought about through the use of strong psychedelic drugs (that alter the mind), yoga, near death experiences, and with speaking in tongues as is practiced today. The physical experience is exactly the same in tongues and kundalini. When the power of the serpent comes out, frequently the person makes involuntary sounds and their bodies begin to make movements out of their control (as is slain in the spirit). [3] The Hindu’s Kundalini is the modern speaking in tongues, and both fall to the floor and roll about out of control (this is also seen in Santerism), making sounds of animals, or even laughing uncontrollably[4], even smelling strange fragrances, having a sensation of light or fire or electricity, visions of heavenly people talking to them, or rhythmic and repetitive chants.

Kundalini was described by the Upanishads, the holy scriptures of Hinduism in the fifth century before Christ. The oral tradition goes even further back. For example, in India, the guru of Kundalini Yoga, Sri Ramakrishna (1836-1886) describes his god-man consciousness. Every day he entered into a samahdi (trance) when he then fell to the floor involuntarily in a state of euphoria and joy (ananda) when pretty visions appeared and sometimes he would leave his body and travel through the heavens. This was also accompanied at times with an uncontrollable laughing. He could cause this same thing to happen in other people with only a light touch[5] on the head or chest of others[6].

Another master of Kundalini Yoga was Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (1931-1990) who brought his sect to the United States. In his interpretation of all of this, they meditated (no thoughts), chanted rhythmic chants, naturalism (walk about totally naked), practices a “primordial scream,” did extreme forms of exercise, and had free sex. With just his presence in a room, his disciples began to laugh and cry uncontrollably, to fall to the ground, to feel electricity, and all of this was precipitated easily by a touch in the head by the finger of the grand master Rajneesh. They use the term, “drunk with new wine”, even though they did not necessarily drink any alcohol. It is a euphoria which is similar to what alcohol gives a person, but it is spiritual. We also note that the experiences of those which practice Voodoo equally speak in tongues (ecstatic speech) in their sessions.

Carl Jung (1875-1961) is the father of modern psychology and he promoted the Kundalini Yoga in the conferences as a link between psychology and the oriental thought for finding internal (spiritual) peace. Kundalini Yoga is a system of meditation[7] where the person controls their respiration in order to provoke an altered state of conscious (trance[8]) so that these “spiritual” things (tongues, falling, visions, etc) can happen. Many false religions worldwide have used these same forms to communicate with spiritual beings, “gods”, of phantoms (spirits of dead humans).

Even among these very groups though there are warnings[9] of the danger in these phenomenons. Medically speaking, doctors have noted that once these practices begin, the person can move into a trance state without warning or desire, and there are other problems like sexual dysfunction, physical and psychological problems (anxiety, night mares, depression, hallucinations, psychological distress, detachment from reality, etc.), tiredness and stress, inability to concentrate, and even problems with demon possession.

http://www.davidcox.com.mx/tracts/t03_cox-kundalini.htm

 

Demonic Activity in the Church

The Bible teaches that the baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs at the same moment of saving faith (accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior), and the only faith and always present mark of the indwelling Holy Spirit is holiness, piety, and a leaving off of sin. There are groups of Pentecostales who promote the Holy Spirit baptism as something equal to Kundalini or speaking in tongues (by reinterpretation of the words to mean other things which are not what the Bible really teaches). To be clear here, to fall down on the ground and roll around, lose control of one’s own body, and make strange sounds has always from the beginning of time been associated or understand as a mark of demon possession (Mat 17:15, never the Spirit of God (until Pentecostalism).

“According to the roman rhythm, other signs of possession (by demons) include ‘the ability to speak with commonness in a strange tongue or when another speaks through you, the ability to foresee future events or hidden things, and the manifestation of powers that are beyond normal powers of people.“[10]

“Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
2 Corinthians 11:14

 

The Truth about Speaking in Tongues

First in Acts 2, the speaking in tongues that they did was in known human languages (known by people present, and the purpose was for communication of the gospel). Secondly we note that in the Bible the purpose of speaking in tongues was the preaching “the wonderful works of God” (Acts 2:11), or in other words, it was a preaching or teaching where the rest judged the content of what was said, always understanding what the words meant (cp Acts 17:11 “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether these things were so”). God’s will is that God’s people understand and compare with the Word of God all teaching and speaking in the services and this includes tongues. The edification that Paul gives us as one criteria in 1 Cor. 14 is to hear the word of God and understand it (as in Neh.8:8) so that we can obey it.

If these things are very clear, then why do Christians reject the very clear teaching of the Bible that says the most important passage on tongues that there is teaches us that tongues is known (by people present) foreign language? Why do people seek for something else? The answer is that the heart is rebellious, and it seeks alternatives to what God commands. But even though many people understand that modern tongues aren’t quite what the Bible teaches, they don’t understand the demonism behind modern tongues. Let’s say that this is witchcraft and satanic activity where truly people lose control of their bodies to the power of devils.

Any person who allows or seeks this is seeking demonic powers to control his body (Mark 5:9).

 

Please tell me you are not saying this is the tongues of the Bible?

How many times are you guys going to try to prove what is real by the false????

Would you also like me to post all those that claim to be children of God and led many into taking poison etc....and by posting that try to prove the real christian are fake too!

This is not good debate of scriptures...Stay within scriptures to prove what is real!

 

How does this prove that tongues is not prayer?

 

Our job is to plant the seed! The rest is up to them and God! My prayer is that God shows those that do not see the same patience that He showed me in my journey!

Just don't let their unbelief steal your own seed! Continue to live in what God has showed you!

 

Nowhere in scriptures is tongues described as communicating the gospel! Peter spread the gospel...the disciples were speaking to God and the unbelievers heard them in their own language! I have never denied that tongues is a known language, just not one that the speaker himself knows!

 

interesting that the cults and false religions have a history of practicing tongues, but that the bible NO WHERE states that they had a personal prayr language given in Acts, much less today!

Heed the warnings of the brother, and come out from among them!

 

I believe it was the unbelievers that come out from among the believers...

As long as you deny that speaking to God is prayer. Paul says tongues is speaking to God...we can not debate! It is plain in scriptures!

 

You can not obey what you do not understand! We have preachers/teachers teaching unbelief concerning tongues and the purpose of tongues. Again nowhere in scriputures teach that tongues is speading the gospel! NOWHERE!

Nowhere does it say to seek tongues! But we are to desire spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 14:1). We are to seek God through Spirit and truth! Most here want to deny the power of the Holy Spirit! It is the power of the Holy Spirit that is manifested through believers! We have NO power outside the Spirit unless we want to give our flesh all the credit!

Be careful that you do not give credit to satan what is of God!

 

My understanding of it is great. You deny the meaning, and insert today's modern Charismatic gibberish meaning that comes from paganism into this verse which is horrible. That is why you have trouble with understanding and don't like a clearer translation. Here it is again:

CEV: 1Co 14:14 For example, if I use an unknown language in my prayers, my spirit prays but my mind is useless.
--Does God praise the useless mindless person?

You have the typical Charismatic understanding of tongues (speaking in gibberish) that the Holy Spirit is the one that is interceding and some how interprets your nonsense syllables into a heavenly language interceding for you before God. He makes God to understand the nonsense language that you are speaking by his groaning and utterances that you think he is doing through you.
But the Holy Spirit doesn't do that, and never has.
The Holy Spirit makes groanings that cannot be uttered.
The gift of tongues is a gift of languages. They can be understood. If you had the gift you would understand exactly the language you would be speaking--what language it is, and what it is you are speaking. But you don't, and that in itself proves you don't have the gift.
As the verse says: YOUR MIND IS USELESS!
God does not bless "useless minds."

You never could answer this portion of my post. (page 27).
All you did is repeat over and over again: "Tongues is prayer; tongues is prayer; tongues is prayer."
Not much of a defense is it? You have been proven wrong over and over again. But you don't accept the evidence set before you.

You are like the atheist who was asked: "If I can give you absolute evidence, beyond any shadow of a doubt that Christ arose from the dead demonstrating his deity, would you accept my evidence?"
The immediate answer of the atheist was, of course, "NO!"

You are just the same. No matter how solid the evidence is against you, you will reject it. Your will remain in unbelief; your heart hardened to the truth; steeped in error.

"Tongues is prayer" you say with your evidence from verse two.
What does verse two say?
In the CEV it says:

1Co 14:2 If you speak languages that others don't know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands.

It doesn't mention anything about prayer at all. It doesn't mention speaking to God at all. In a translation that is different than the KJV you have absolutely no argument. How do you deal with that? Your argument here is devastated. You have none.
So it is with the other Scripture you have provided.

 

How many times gain did the Bible record down a personal prayer made by ANYONE?

Why were tongues given, can you at least honestly answer that question?

 

You need to finish your study of "casting out devils, but He never knew them"; and be careful that you're not giving credit to God what is of satan....

 

I do not believe satan would bring something into my life that would make me fall more in love with my Lord! It was enough that He died for me....but He has so much more for us to live out here on this earth!

Praying in the spirit has so many benefits! It builds up our spirit man! Unless someone has experienced this for themselves...you just will not understand!

I have always loved studing his Word, praying and worshipping my Savior! But when I by faith embraced this truth concerning the manifestation of the Holy Spirit! Well...lets just say...my journey with Him gets sweeter and sweeter!

I will never give credit to satan for that!

 

Paul is plain that it is speaking to God in more than one verse!
Acts 2 and 10 as I have explained before show them magnifying God/praising God!

 

why keep holding on to something that cannot be proven int he bible, but only by experience?

Did you get this experience in church? was there a preacher asking you to come forward to"get the blessing?"

 

No, I received it just like I did salvation! By faith! I was at home!
As far as proving it in the Bible...I have!

YOu can also prove salvation is in the Bible! But most refuse that too!

 

"By faith," blind faith, just like the Muslims, by their blind faith, strap a bomb on themselves and blow themselves up believing that is the way to Paradise. That is blind faith. Your faith (type of faith) is the same. It is a blind faith. It is not based on factual evidence, like faith in the gospel, which is based on the facts of the gospel--death, burial and resurrection of Christ--those things that we know. Your faith is completely blind.

 

PPL is abomination and evil.