WestminsterMan
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The current Pope is doing some interesting things.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130512/DA67NCHO2.html
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130512/DA67NCHO2.html
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Pope Francis gives church hundreds of new saints...
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saturneptune
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St Pope Francis had a cult
EEE AYE EEE AYE OOO
And in his cult he made some saints
EEE AYE EEE AYE OOO
With a saint, saint here, and a saint, saint there
Here a saint, there a saint
Everywhere a saint, saint
BobRyan
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But for non-Catholics it does not mean anything at all.
However given the thread about Catholics growing in numbers in the South maybe we should take note of the fact that each time the Pope ties his shoes or does anything at all - it makes national news.
And I was reminded recently that the President of the United States (G. W. Bush) insisted on referring to the Pope as "THE Holy Father".
By every measure that is good marketing for anyone thinking about joining the Catholic Church.
in Christ,
Bob
WestminsterMan
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Bob:
The RCC has the biggest target on it because it most fully represents Christ on Earth. Protestant churches don't get that attention because Satan and the media don't see them as such. As a formar Baptist, I couldn't figure out why everyone payed so much attention to the Pope. Now I know... it's because he REALLY IS the vicar of Christ. Satan certainly understands this.
WM
WestminsterMan
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You do understand how very infantile this makes you appear, do you not? But, that's OK... If I were to ever regret leaving my old denomination, I can always invision you as the face of the Baptist church and feel vindicated.
WM
You do understand how very infantile this makes you appear, do you not? But, that's OK... If I were to ever regret leaving my old denomination, I can always invision you as the face of the Baptist church and feel vindicated.
WM
HERE, HERE!! Nailed it again, WestminsterMan! :thumbs:
The fact remains, the more I study the more I'm in agreement with Catholic faith.
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The pope does not need to give anyone Saints. Christ gave the church Saints when he was resurrected. Saints being anyone who is a true believer in Christ according to scripture.
Thinkingstuff
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This is an often miscontrued view of Catholic thought. The wrong perception is that Catholics believe that a person is not a "saint" unless given that title by the Church. This is in fact wrong. Catholics believe all who believe in Jesus Christ and are conforming their life to that of Jesus Christ are indeed saints. The title Saints is significant in that the title (though not exclusive to just those people) applies to people who have extrodinarily followed in an exempliary form, Jesus teachings. They are people who's testimony are so exemplary that we should follow their example as Paul taught his students to follow his example. However, just because someone isn't afford the "Title" of "Saints" doesn't mean they are not a saint. One of the many Missions of the Church is to lead people to be Saints in all aspects of what that means.
I have not misconstrued anything. It is a silly activity by the pope and the church. And my post stands.
Thinkingstuff
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So, are you saying protestants or baptist don't point to people they believe are exempliary in life and to be held up as an example for others? I find that hard to believe based on the books I've read about Moody, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan, Spurgeon, Oswald Chambers ( I still have his devotional "His upmost for my Highest" on my bookshelf), Billy Sunday, etc...
The activity is no different therefore your accusation that it is "silly" would apply to people who respect and follow these men's examples that I have just mentioned.
WestminsterMan
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I don't want to say you are wasting your time TS, but RevM appears to have the blinders fully glued to his noggin'. If you are expecting a rational intellectual discussion of the facts, then sadly...
WM
This thing about all RCC being Saints - according to this link - currently are not considered a saint (unless they have went thur canonization) until they get to Heaven
Not the same thing any more than the catholic worship of Mary is acceptable either.
So they were martyrs, but not necessarily Christians. Being a Catholic does not make one a Christian.
Being a martyr does not make one neither Christian nor saint.
What was Pope Innocent III? Neither Christian nor saint!!
What will the RCC do for the Muslims whom he massacred on one of his crusades? Are they "saints" because they were martyred by the RCC? Is it simple martyrdom that makes one a saint in the eyes of the RCC?
Let the bloody history of the RCC speak for itself.
Read up on what made these saints martyrs, DHK. They were martyred because they refused to renounce Jesus Christ as savior and Lord and convert to Islam.
Being Baptist does not make one a Christian either. My Baptists neighbors have beliefs that would make you cringe. They are Baptist on Sunday and Wiccan/Pagan the rest of the time.
BTW, if it hadn't been for the Crusades in the 16th century, you would be speaking Arabic right now.
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Thinkingstuff
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Thinkingstuff
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It is exactly the same thing. The only difference is a little more pomp and circumstance.
I am reminded of something Walter posted. People don't like this about the Catholic Church. Mary, the Pope, the saints, Mary, the church structure, statues, vestments, Mary, sacraments, baptismal regeneration Mary, the saints, calling Priest "Father, Mary, the Eucharist, oh yeah and Mary!" Well something to that effect.
BobRyan
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Originally Posted by saturneptune
St Pope Francis had a cult
EEE AYE EEE AYE OOO
And in his cult he made some saints
EEE AYE EEE AYE OOO
With a saint, saint here, and a saint, saint there
Here a saint, there a saint
Everywhere a saint, saint
The idea seems to be "if I don't take the RCC seriously then neither will anyone else who matters".
You do understand how very infantile this makes you appear, do you not? But, that's OK... If I were to ever regret leaving my old denomination, I can always invision you as the face of the Baptist church and feel vindicated.
WM
Is it any wonder that this is the result of those who do not take the RCC seriously?
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from:http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=86168
Roman Catholics, the nation’s largest Christian denomination, grew 1.49 percernt to 68 million members.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1.71 percent to 5.8 million members
Assemblies of God grew 1.27 percent to 2.8 million members.
Others claiming growth include the Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Church of God in Cleveland, Tenn., both at 1 million members.
The Southern Baptists, though, registered their second straight year of losses as being down .24 percent to 16.2 million. Even so, they are still the nation’s largest Protestant denomination. They are doing well compared to certain others,
Presbyterian Church USA, which is down 3.28 percent to 2.9 million members;
American Baptists are down 2 percent to 1.3 million
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is down 1.92 percent to 4.7 million.
Overall membership
in church is up .49 percent this year to 147.3 million; just under half of the American population....
Dialogue with Protestants has produced a steady stream of Catholic converts, who now constitute one of the driving forces of growth in the region, Wheeler said.
When Hain, himself a convert, was received into the Church in 2006, there were 27 members of his confirmation class. His wife’s class, in the same year, had 33. At the time, there were 1,900 registered families his parish, St. Peter Chanel in Roswell, an Atlanta suburb. Now, there are more than 3,000, according to Hain.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news...#ixzz2T2aoC0j5
BobRyan
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Originally Posted by Walter
The 800 were martyrs from the 15th century, and they were killed by–whisper it–Muslims.
It is plausible that upwards of 50 million or more saints were killed by the RCC during the dark ages - in addition to people of other faiths like Muslims killed during the crusades to the middle east.
However - even so - it is hardly the "line in the sand" that defines Protestantism to argue that the Christians killed by Muslims don't count or are not saved etc - because they were Catholic.
Surely we can all agree the rightness or wrongness of the RCC does not depend on our demeaning Mary or demeaning any of the Christians who died for their faith in Christ - be they Catholic or not.
We do not pray to the dead, we do not worship Mary, we do not seek apparitions from the dead -- etc, but that does not mean we go to the other extreme of demeaning Mary or the Christian martyrs either - because that makes not case at all in favor of the Protestant model.
in Christ,
Bob
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