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So what is for dinner tonight?

 

Again, no comments about the OP?

Let's be clear:
According to the OP, The following statement is true:

"It is not necessary in this life for a man to repent and Call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in order to receive Eternal Salvation."

No comments? This blows right past us like a breeze? We don't particularly consider this a worthy topic to discuss or debate?

 

It was Rene' Descartes....."I think therefore I am. (French Mathematician and philosopher).

 

In all of the verses you sited, these are reference who "lie in wait to deceive" for the purpose of tricking believers into denying Christ. Has nothing to do with a believer using tactics to catch another person being dishonest.

Nathan did it to catch King David, and I did it to catch several others who were merely disagreeing with anything I posted and several others including Iconoclast fell for it and contradicted their own views. Get over it, your buddies got busted trying to refute what they THOUGHT were my views, and instead they were contradicting material from their own websites.

When you have 50 Calvinists ganging up on a few Non Calvinists, lying about them, misstating their views, it was necessary to prove that all they were trying to do was win a debate, and I proved how dishonest they were by showing their willingness to indict their own theology. Iconoclasts was the worst because he flat out denied all 4 points I raised in one post, and then admitted all but 1 in another response when all I did was re-worded the first post and the only differences were semantic.

I get that you fellas don't like it when there's Bible believers on here that actually believe the Bible, and can put Calvinists in their place, but seriously, you all need some new material.

And no, Paul is not being sarcistic. He said "and using craftiness, I CAUGHT YOU with guile". Stop being the typical Calvinist that makes the Bible say whatever you want it to whenever it conflicts with your theories, dogmas or creeds.

 

You tell me. Why don't you grow a pair and post the same thing in public that you sent in a PM

 

Thanks, but I have already eaten.

 

Norman Geisler said it best on that quote by Rene Descartes (pronounced 'de cart'):

"The Calvinists put Decart before De horse"

 

Oh, do you like horse also, maybe as an appetizer?

 

Quick & completely honest answer .....YES!

But on to Penoys OP.....RIGHT ON BRO:thumbsup::love2:

 

At least you are more honest than Geisler. He is no Calvinist in any way,shape or form.

 

Did you read Pinoy's OP? Do you understand what he is saying?

 

completely....did you?

 

Yes.........and BTW. I appreciate your candor in your response to my question about how deep the divide is:

Perhaps you don't understand what Pinoy is asserting, that's why I ask. He is asserting that someone can refuse to confess the risen Christ as their Lord and Saviour and still go to heaven.

Ignore the flowery portions where he exhorts sanctification etc.....That's all good. But that isn't the pertinent stuff. What he asserted there, is that someone might live in rebellion their ENTIRE LIFE and NEVER, at ANY POINT, confess Jesus Christ nor "call upon the name of the Lord".........and still spend eternity in a blessed state of Salvation. That's kinda signifigant really IMO......and not precisely something to be breezed past.

 

KYRED has already indicated that Penoy is more than competent to explain his beliefs & since he is author of this OP I will leave it his competent hands.:smilewinkgrin:

 

de cart gave us the foundation for the x-y coordinate system. A revolution in graphing equations and functions. Sorry, it is the teacher in me.

 

We should just tear out Hebrews and James out of the Bible. It was not meant for us.

Was it Martin Luther that wanted to get rid of books out of the Bible?

"Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation

Main article: Antilegomena
Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide), but this was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.[4]
If Luther's negative view of these books were based only upon the fact that their canonicity was disputed in early times, 2 Peter might have been included among them, because this epistle was doubted more than any other in ancient times. However, the prefaces that Luther affixed to these four books makes it evident that his low view of them was more due to his theological reservations than with any historical investigation of the canon."

If we was in fact chosen before the foundation of the world they would already be saved. That is what regeneration before faith leads to. It is a residue left over from hyper-Calvinism, except it is O.K. to preach the Gospel to those already saved.

I call them extreme Calvinist, which I have no part of.

I believe we are chosen in Christ so what remains is to enter His rest to be chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world to enter Christ is to enter His rest. Paul letter is to believers, does a believer still need milk or should you talk to them as if they are in Christ. A believer is chosen before the foundation of the world not an unbeliever.

I have no problem seeing me as a dog who begged at His table a people who was not His people who He included when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed and now treats me as one of His own.

 

IC...in other words.....you disagree with Sola Gratia.