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If you say thithing is a command ....

HisWitness

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I really want to focus on this verse:

Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. - Galatians 3:19 NASB

Paul asks a very good question. If the law couldn't save, and the gospel promise was made 430 years before hand, what was the purpose of the Law?

"It was added because of transgressions"! or it was added to define/ or make plain transgression/sin. Paul goes so far in Romans to say that the law came to INCREASE SIN! God wanted everyone to see that even His Elect nation, the nation He redeemed from the Egyptians, the nation that he had set His affection on and gave every advantage possible to, was UTTERLY INCAPABLE OF OBEDIENCE!

Now look at this: "It was ADDED.." The Law was new at Sinai! It was a new expression of the commands of God. It was not in place previously, but was ADDED at Sinai.

And look here: "until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made" It was added UNTIL the SEED came. That seed was Christ (Gal 3:16).

So the Law was ADDED UNTIL Christ came. In other words, the Mosaic Law (as a whole) was TEMPORARY! The Mosaic covenant is not the Covenant the church lives under as that Old Covenant has been abolish in the cross of Christ.

by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, - Ephesians 2:15 NASB

When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. - Hebrews 8:13 NASB

having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. - Colossians 2:14 NASB

all this talking and you stay far away from what the actual commandments that the Son of Yah said to keep---pls tell us what we are to keep according to his own words.

you have told us what your view is to what NOT to keep...NOW tell us what we are to keep if we love the Messiah ????????
 

Steadfast Fred

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Acts 15:10 (KJV) 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
 

HisWitness

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Acts 15:10 (KJV) 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

still refusing the messiah's own words I see--he said to keep his commandments if you loved him

what are his commandments ??????
 

Steadfast Fred

Active Member
Not one of us keep the commandments... Not even you!

You break the commandments if you say you do keep them.

What we do, is we love the One who kept the commandments. And because we love Him, we also love our neighbor.
 

Steadfast Fred

Active Member
Ephesians 2:14 & 15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The Mosaic Law was a curse to the Israelites. It was a curse in that it brought them to the realization that they were all worthy of death because of their inability to keep that Law. Christ redeemed them from the curse of the Law by being made a curse for them... taking their place in the judgment for transgressing that Law. He died, that they through His death, might have life.

Sadly, many having begun in the Spirit are bewitched into putting themselves foolishly back under the Law from which Christ has set them free. When they insist that they have to keep certain of the laws written within the Mosaic Law, they are inviting upon them the very curse that Christ has removed! The payment that was made in Christ's death becomes of none effect for that one who decides any part of the Mosaic Law is to be followed and obeyed.

Ephesians makes it clear... the Law has been abolished. Don't let Judaizers who have crept in unawares fill your heads with silly claims that you must obey the Law or you don't love God.

Peter said those who wanted the Gentile Converts to keep the Law of Moses were tempting God. The Apostle James said in that same meeting that the Holy Ghost required no more of the Gentile Converts than four necessary things. The Judaizers would have you do that which not even the Holy Ghost requires. They tempt God with their demands that you keep the Law.
 

HisWitness

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Ephesians 2:14 & 15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The Mosaic Law was a curse to the Israelites. It was a curse in that it brought them to the realization that they were all worthy of death because of their inability to keep that Law. Christ redeemed them from the curse of the Law by being made a curse for them... taking their place in the judgment for transgressing that Law. He died, that they through His death, might have life.

Sadly, many having begun in the Spirit are bewitched into putting themselves foolishly back under the Law from which Christ has set them free. When they insist that they have to keep certain of the laws written within the Mosaic Law, they are inviting upon them the very curse that Christ has removed! The payment that was made in Christ's death becomes of none effect for that one who decides any part of the Mosaic Law is to be followed and obeyed.

Ephesians makes it clear... the Law has been abolished. Don't let Judaizers who have crept in unawares fill your heads with silly claims that you must obey the Law or you don't love God.

Peter said those who wanted the Gentile Converts to keep the Law of Moses were tempting God. The Apostle James said in that same meeting that the Holy Ghost required no more of the Gentile Converts than four necessary things. The Judaizers would have you do that which not even the Holy Ghost requires. They tempt God with their demands that you keep the Law.

I think you are confused here--it wasn't the people's inability to keep a set of Laws--you keep the laws of the Land because you don't want to go to jail or be fined ???

It was and is today the peoples UN-WILLINGNESS to keep the laws--because they follow the lusts of their flesh and love SIN,SELF and the World MORE than YAH.

you have the ability to pick up a gun and shoot anyone whom you desire
you also have the ability NOT to pick the Gun up.

the reason you don't do this in your anger is that there is punishments associated with breaking certain laws.

this is always the response of man that forfeits man any responsibility what-so-ever and puts the wrong on someone else or a so-called inability that he has to do something--to justify his SIN and to get away with it.
 

Steadfast Fred

Active Member
As to the OP...

If you say thithing is a command ....
do you sacrifice a lamb once a year as well as keeping ALL the other OT commandments?

Most everyone should know by now that I do not say tithing is a command.

But I will say that the one who submits his self or her self to tithing must submit to all 613 of the commandments written within the Law just as the Apostle Paul wrote:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

I am sure our Judiazing poster is not continuing in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them. Matter of fact, he has said he doesn't sacrifice animals.

So according to Galatians 3, said poster is cursed, since he insists on keeping the Law and yet does not continue in all things written within the Law to do them.

What is that curse, one may ask. The curse of the Law was death. Those who did not keep the Law were to be killed according to the Word of God. The Judaizer judges us for not keeping the Law, God has judged him according to the very Law that he judges us out of.

God is not mocked, Judaizer. For whatsoever you sow, that you will also reap.

Am I threatening you? No, of course not! I am reassuring you that God will execute judgment against those who would oppress His people as you are doing now with your foolishness.

(this was not directed at Salty)
 
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Steadfast Fred

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Wow! Didn't realize that Psalms were in the New Testament!

Only in the New Testament of the Judaizer.

Actually, he may as well tear the first page out of each Testament in his Bible, as it is apparent he believes we are still bound to the Old.
 
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HisWitness

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As to the OP...



Most everyone should know by now that I do not say tithing is a command.

But I will say that the one who submits his self or her self to tithing must submit to all 613 of the commandments written within the Law just as the Apostle Paul wrote:

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

I am sure our Judiazing poster is not continuing in all things which are written in the book of the Law to do them. Matter of fact, he has said he doesn't sacrifice animals.

So according to Galatians 3, said poster is cursed, since he insists on keeping the Law and yet does not continue in all things written within the Law to do them.

What is that curse, one may ask. The curse of the Law was death. Those who did not keep the Law were to be killed according to the Word of God. The Judaizer judges us for not keeping the Law, God has judged him according to the very Law that he judges us out of.

God is not mocked, Judaizer. For whatsoever you sow, that you will also reap.

Am I threatening you? No, of course not! I am reassuring you that God will execute judgment against those who would oppress His people as you are doing now with your foolishness.

(this was not directed at Salty)

he will also execute his judgement on those who bear false witness against people by putting words in their mouths they didn't say.

also on those who speak from their mouths that they love him---BUT their Hearts are FAR from him--who confess him with the mouth BUT DENY him in works !!!
 

DHK

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Then quote me a verse that says the son of Yah in the NT.
that above quote is from DHK--who closed thread before I could answer.

heres the answer my friend.

Psalm 68-4 gives the NAME of the father which is YAH.
First, you are off topic, again!
Second, since when do you find Psalm 68:4 in the NT?
I plainly said, "Quote me a verse that says the "son of Yah" in the NT."
You haven't done that, and cannot do that. Therefore all of your arguments are built on false premises.
SO I say the Son of YAH(I don't use Pagan titles as you do such as god)
This is a false allegation, and a serious one.
It is also an allegation, the opposite of which infers that you are not saved.
It is only through the name of Jesus by which one can be saved.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
--The name spoken of here is the name of Jesus; not any other name. But it seems you don't recognize this name.
What is the context?
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
--It is only by the name of Jesus Christ by which you are saved.
Peter is the author here. His words were penned as the Holy Spirit worked through Luke. This is how they originally looked like:

Acts 4:10 γνωστον εστω πασιν υμιν και παντι τω λαω ισραηλ οτι εν τω ονοματι ιησου χριστου του ναζωραιου ον υμεις εσταυρωσατε ον ο θεος ηγειρεν εκ νεκρων εν τουτω ουτος παρεστηκεν ενωπιον υμων υγιης
Acts 4:12 και ουκ εστιν εν αλλω ουδενι η σωτηρια ουτε γαρ ονομα εστιν ετερον υπο τον ουρανον το δεδομενον εν ανθρωποις εν ω δει σωθηναι ημας
the translators of our bibles has taken that NAME in Psalm 68-4 out and replaced it with Pagan titles such as god over 6k times in our bibles.
First, Greek has never been translated. It is the original language that the apostles wrote in. If you don't understand it, that is your weakness; your problem, not ours. Here is the name of Christ once again:

ιησου χριστου του ναζωραιου Note: It is not YAH or Yeshua, or any other such derivative. It is Iesou Christou. That is the name by which one is saved; not Yah or Yeshua. If you are putting your faith in the wrong God, then perhaps you are not saved. Only through the name of Jesus can one be saved.

Where is your evidence that the name of God has been changed 6k times?
When was it changed?
Who changed it?
Where? What was the date, the place, and into what names?
Give the facts not just make false allegations.
You have much to answer for.
there is a ton of info on it on the internet for you to study and see about it.
There is a ton of heresy on the internet. Avoid it.
so it is Scriptural to say the Son of YAH.
No it isn't.
 

HisWitness

New Member
First, you are off topic, again!
Second, since when do you find Psalm 68:4 in the NT?
I plainly said, "Quote me a verse that says the "son of Yah" in the NT."
You haven't done that, and cannot do that. Therefore all of your arguments are built on false premises.

This is a false allegation, and a serious one.
It is also an allegation, the opposite of which infers that you are not saved.
It is only through the name of Jesus by which one can be saved.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
--The name spoken of here is the name of Jesus; not any other name. But it seems you don't recognize this name.
What is the context?
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
--It is only by the name of Jesus Christ by which you are saved.
Peter is the author here. His words were penned as the Holy Spirit worked through Luke. This is how they originally looked like:

Acts 4:10 γνωστον εστω πασιν υμιν και παντι τω λαω ισραηλ οτι εν τω ονοματι ιησου χριστου του ναζωραιου ον υμεις εσταυρωσατε ον ο θεος ηγειρεν εκ νεκρων εν τουτω ουτος παρεστηκεν ενωπιον υμων υγιης
Acts 4:12 και ουκ εστιν εν αλλω ουδενι η σωτηρια ουτε γαρ ονομα εστιν ετερον υπο τον ουρανον το δεδομενον εν ανθρωποις εν ω δει σωθηναι ημας

First, Greek has never been translated. It is the original language that the apostles wrote in. If you don't understand it, that is your weakness; your problem, not ours. Here is the name of Christ once again:

ιησου χριστου του ναζωραιου Note: It is not YAH or Yeshua, or any other such derivative. It is Iesou Christou. That is the name by which one is saved; not Yah or Yeshua. If you are putting your faith in the wrong God, then perhaps you are not saved. Only through the name of Jesus can one be saved.

Where is your evidence that the name of God has been changed 6k times?
When was it changed?
Who changed it?
Where? What was the date, the place, and into what names?
Give the facts not just make false allegations.
You have much to answer for.

There is a ton of heresy on the internet. Avoid it.

No it isn't.

Ignorance is bliss to you also friend !!!
 

Steadfast Fred

Active Member
I am seriously scratching my head and wondering how much longer the Judaizer is going to be allowed to blaspheme the God we have called upon for Salvation?

Funny thing is, up until a few weeks ago, the Judaizer was using the name Jesus Christ in his posts.

Sadly, he has foolishly allowed someone to bewitch him.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 

HisWitness

New Member
I am seriously scratching my head and wondering how much longer the Judaizer is going to be allowed to blaspheme the God we have called upon for Salvation?

Funny thing is, up until a few weeks ago, the Judaizer was using the name Jesus Christ in his posts.

Sadly, he has foolishly allowed someone to bewitch him.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


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