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And yet again pastor means shepherd. What is hard about that to understand.

 

They already do that. What you are proposing is unnecessary- and anti-Biblical.

 

You obviously know zero about New Testament scholarship. It is an established fact that the words pastor/elder/bishop/overseer/presbyter are synonymous terms for one and the same office. You are either ignorant of this fact, willfully or otherwise, or you are disingenuous. Before you come on a forum spouting your notions which are devoid of historical and scriptural fact, you should realize that you will be met by those with sufficient knowledge and education to refute your totally unsubstantiated and errant claims.

 

I have told you the facts as confirmed by Biblical scholarship. If you deny it, it's up to you to do the research which will confirm the truth of everything I said. I have long ago done that research. Your turn. I could show you, but my experience is that someone will not truly believe something until they see if for themselves.

 

Don't confuse him with the facts, as you evidently also did by your earlier linguistic post about the word 'pastor'.

 

This is not about paid leadership. You are conflating two separate issues.

What is strange is that a professed Baptist would be as legalistic as any Church of Christ about this matter, and as wrong.

For the record, I'm not against a plurality of elders, but any church which had such would also have a plurality of pastors, as these terms are synonymous.

 

You are exactly right. This thread is linguistically ignorant.

"pastor, -oris. m. a herd. esp. a shepherd." (Cassall's Latin Dictionary, p. 160, emphasis in original)

poimhn "shepherd" in any Greek lexicon

 

Why does it matter? ( sounds like Hillary) It matters because the trials of the ministry are very real and discipleship can be very difficult even in this country. Some men labor in this country and in the foreign mission fields for years faithfully with no converts and no disciples. Only someone with experience could know the level of difficulties in doing this.

To so smuggly say that you reject what they say as an excuse that there is no one else in a particular mission field that is qualified to be an elder shows you do not understand the difficulties of shepherding a church and reaching people in foreign mission fields.

When these men (of which some are on this board) say that in their mission field there is no one who is qualified, then we need to show these faithful men at least an ounce of respect and trust that they are both being honest and know their own mission field. Of which you personally have no knowledge of.

I am greatly offended at your disrespect of these men on this board and their mission fields. You are talking about things you know nothing of and in doing so you show your lack of experience. Someone with 40 years of experience would never talk to these men in that manner. Someone with 40 years experience knows, because of his experience, the trial and difficulties. You have none of that knowledge.

I suggest you take a step back, apologize to these faithful men that you have disrespected and admit your true lack of experience and knowledge about ministry and their particular mission field.

That is what someone with 40 years experience would do. How about you?

 

You saw my rebuttal. What I said is fact. I don't post theories unless I identify them as such. So, again, what I stated is an established and incontrovertible fact. If you doubt it, do your own research.

 

I already showed him that. Of course he smuggley dismissed it.

 

And you have removed the word "pastor" from your Bible and set up your idea of eldership as an idol.