Featured Who Killed Christ? Jews or Romans?

It really is a closed question. It should be no question at all.

 

This is a good Scripture, but it doesn't apply to what you desire.

Pilate washing his hands didn't absolve his responsibility, for the Jews could not crucify anyone.

The proclamation of the Jews that "His blood be upon us, and our children" does not mean that it obliges God to validate that desire.

All were guilty for generating a rational for the crucifixion, and because BOTH gentile and Jew was involved, all bear that responsibility placed upon them by God.

Does not the Scriptures teach that God has the heart of the rulers in His hand and will turn it however He desires?

Here is a great example of that very Scripture in practical action.

God commanded the crucifixion, used prophets to state the particulars, and then used contemporaries to Christ to carry it out.

It is not foundational to Scripture to place "blame" upon one group or another when it was all according to the direct and purpose of God.

Like I said, if there is any blame - it is mine.

 

Sorry friend but your posts are so far off tack and fallacious that it is actually saddening. It runs along the same lines of you accusing the responses of Cals here who give good sound responses to being akin to achs responses -- i.e. there is no comparison and your accusations there are quite simply unfounded.

 

You're correct and I agree. Someone has poisoned the well they're drinking from.

 

I'm reporting this post, you are now once again falsely accusing me. I know nothing about any 'White Pride World Wide' whatever, and you are a very low life individual to stoop to these sort of lies.

And for the record, I don't care if Jesus was polka dot, he is my Saviour.

 

James, I am not certain that the BB approves using discussion(s) from other boards to be brought to this board in disparaging someone in which one disagrees.

Stick to Scripture and Scriptural principals to support your view.

 

So, you can prove that God commanded sin?

That Christ was sinful by committing to the Cross?

 

You continue to be way off track.

 

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Then I would implore you to take the Scriptures I have used on this thread, and the applications that I have made and show in what I am in error.

 

It really is a closed question. It should be no question at all.

 

I killed him.

 

Who Killed Jesus

Chorus 1
Who killed Jesus many years ago
Who is guilty of a crime so low
Why did He have to die
What is the reason why
Who killed Jesus
I would like to know

Was it Roman soldiers
With their tools of war
Driving nails thru hands that did no wrong
Mocking and abusing
Crowning Him with thorns
All the evidence is very strong

Was it Pontius Pilate
He was governor
Trying to decide the case that day
Finding that the Savior
Had no fault His own
Was he guilty when he turned away

Was it Hebrew children
Proud of who they were
Shouting crucify Him at their King
Trading their Messiah
For a common thief
Turning down the kingdom He could bring

When I think of Jesus
And the way He died
How upon Him all my sin was laid
All the other people
Fade away from view
It's for me the sacrifice was made

I no long wonder anymore
I have found what I've been searching for
My sin demanded hell
On Him the judgement fell
I am guilty
Now it's plain to see
That it was really me

© 1970 New Spring
Mickey Holiday
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Christian-Music-2785/2008/10/Christian-Song-1.htm

 

Very touching and emotional concerning WHY He died. Totally unscriptural concerning HOW He died.

 

Scripture says that Jesus Christ was CRUCIFIED (Matthew 27:26-50; Mark 15:21-37; Luke 23:21-46; John 19:16-30). The Romans used crucifixion as punishment for serious crimes such as insurrection and murder. Crucifixion is described in Psalms 22, which was written hundreds of years before the Romans used it as their means of capital punishment. His vicarious death (for the sin of all mankind), as well as His glorious resurrection, is described in Isaiah 53:

Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

 

And Jehovah God said unto the serpent……. thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3:14,15

....Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3:7

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8:44

...the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they art not, but are a synagogue of Satan.... Rev 2:9

....the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie;... Rev 3:9

 

Can we then say that His disciples killed him? Are the Eleven guilty of Judas' act of betrayal?

The question was, who killed the man, Jesus? Was it Rome or Judah? The answer is Judah. Rome defended Him. Pronounced Him innocent. Gave Judah an opportunity to show mercy during the Passover. Judah would have none of that.

If you desire to be guilty of Christ's body and blood, partake of the Lord's Supper unworthily.