Featured Moderation is what helps- not teetotalism

Yes, it is measurable. Blood alcohol level is the scientific way of measuring it. The police also utilize the "stupid human tricks" test, i.e. touch your nose, walk a straight line, stand on one foot for ten seconds, say the alphabet backwards, etc. You can deny it all you want but it is possible measure drunkenness and possible to drink in moderation.

 

What if your a guy who is uncoordinated :laugh:

Anyway you can tell them that but a breathalyzer with a video becomes measurable evidence in court.

 

You are correct. When I was a student at BJU I remember a teaching in Ministerial class and plenty of chapels where speakers bashed the SBC movement by pointing to the most extreme cases and often books read out f context. I remember one history prof bouncing on Charles Stanley and other SBC, but interesting how his book got few reviews on amazon and sold little to anyone outside of IFB circles. Last I heard his book was recalled. He clearly was bashing people without knowledge. I was ignorant in those days and believed whatever the IFB told me, but I grew and I learned that just because someone drinks alcoholic beverages, and sing in a contemporary mode and they use the NIV to preach does not make them a heretic!

They bashed all evangelicals at BJU. I remember they hacked at Piper, JI Packer, and no doubt Francis Chan and David Platt (they were not big when I was there).

 

In retrospect, why did they do that? Was it a brain washing exercise? I ask because I don't know much about them but they rode my nephew so hard his first year there that he was run out of the place. He was a sweet kid too & the son of an IFB youth minister. I never got a straight answer from the parent's. It just seems that when something bad happens, they dummy up & dismiss the whole ugly episode.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but I have never had a DUI, never taken drugs, and never had marijuana found in my car. (or cocaine for that matter)

My father was an electronics engineer and did not allow such nonsense as a minor.

As far as sex partners go, I believe I posted that some areas have room for moderation, and some areas are absolutes. Again, common sense and Scripture. Sorry to disappoint you again, but the first time I had a sex partner was my wife the first night after we were married. If you want more details, let me know.

 

Oh yea baby

 

Dont recall the details and I threw away the notes that they handed out that session. Perhaps I may have some of the sermons in my iTunes library. If I find a sermon do you have AIM, Yahoo, or Skype? Reason I ask is that the sermons can be large and I have gmail which cant send much.

 

Dont sweat it, I believe you....I just dont like the way that kid got bullied. I suspect thats the way they do everything around there. I have a motto: How you do one thing is how you do everything....but I have nothing concrete.

 

What I mentioned were all hypothetical, not direct accusations. I don't need to ask anything.
You said that you were taught all your life not to drink; never to touch it, etc. So what is the first thing you did once you left home, out from under the influence of your parents? You drank. Is that right?

My question is what about all the other vices in life: smoking, sex, etc. Why zero in on alcohol? I am sure that if you rebelled against this one single rule then you must have rebelled against many other things. What you are saying doesn't make a lot of sense.
A parent just doesn't give a child one rule, and hopes he won't break it. You grew up with many rules. But for some reason you are intimating that alcohol is the only rule you rebelled against. Thus your story seems inconsistent.

 

I was at BJU for about two years. Granted, it was for a post-graduate degree, and therefore I was older than the average student. But I still lived on campus. I appreciated having a high standard of discipline on the campus; teachers that made you think for yourself, etc. As I have said before, the education that BJU offers is unparalleled. Most of the other Bible Colleges acquire their teachers from BJU. Most of its graduates are Baptists. Those that "crack up" are normally those that rebel against the rules. No one is "run out of the place." There is a reason for everything, and always two sides to every story.

 

This kid was not rebellious...that is not his demeanor

 

NOBTS is a googol better.

 

Well the problem is clear. One who often uses subjective reasoning has come to conclude this to be concise truth. We've seen it in matters of biblical drinking, of opinions in schools and their value, and within more topics. Interestingly yesterday when preaching I told the congregants that Baptists aren't nearly as 'sola scriptura' as they think they are.

 

Right further review is really unnecessary...we have beat this one to death.

 

How do you reconcile this belief with these scriptures? Deacons and aged women are not to drink too much wine, bishops none at all.

1 Tim. 3

[regarding bishops] Not given to wine...

[regarding deacons] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine,

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine

 

You said you'd go verse by verse. Romans 14, 15 and 1 Cor. 8 are the relevant chapters. I'm not writing a commentary, we're simply discussing what is being said.

I didn't say a weaker brother was one who is weak in will, and neither did Paul. He said weak in the faith, and that is not the same as ignorance.

Before we go on, that needs to be understood. That doesn't mean one who is ignorant or undisciplined or lacking self-control.

 

Ohhh wow .... you really want to go on with this absurd conversation? :laugh:

.... Continue ROFL!