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official catholic doctrine since vatican II is that God does and will save those of other faiths, especially Jews and muslims, as they worship same God as we do, per the church!

God looks at their piety and sincere devoation to their faith as responding in a saving fashion to the light they received, as he knows they would have accepted the RCC teachings if had that light offerred them!

the pope is just expanding that to iclude sincere athiests, who are responding in afavorable fashion to the light they had from God...


THAT is official catholic doctrine!

what is also still official is that no catholic who willing rejected that faith and became another one is saved, nor are those who know true cathoic doctrines and 'reject the faith!"

 

That's not the official doctrine read it again.

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The exception is stated as such and its important to note key word which I have bolded for you and my comment in parenthesis

What the Catholic Church really teaches about Jews and Muslims is that God is calling them to the Church for their salvation but they have the advantage of having some similarity with the Christian faith. But just being Jewish or Muslim isn't enough for salvation. That is the real teaching of the Catholic Church.

 

the church sees Jews and Muslims as worshipping same God as Christians, being people of the book, and as such, DO teach that God credits those faithful in their religions to what they know as being saved by God,a s he knows that based upon how they responded to light they received, they would have chosen to become catholic, so salvation by proxy!

You know the RCC reaches that others are saved outside of Christ, now even Athiests!

 

You know this is problematic to discussion. I show you what the Catholic Church teaches by its own authoritative document and you ignore it and spout out your misconception once again. Muslims and Jews are Monotheistic and apply the same attributes to their one God that we do. These are our similarities. However, it is wrong to say as you did "that God credits those faithful in their religions to what they know as being saved by God". Once again you need to re-read what I posted from the Catechism regarding this topic and find that you aren't correct.

You once again fail to comprehend what it is you read. Re-read my post to see what it is the Catholic Church teaches. And then read what the Pope actually said. He never said Atheist are saved. That was a misleading title by a British newspaper. Again know your topic before saying something. And if you make an assertion prove it.

 

Yeshua1 continues to spout these kinds of assertions because Yeshua1 continually chooses to ignore the truth about what the Church documents actually say. It doesn't matter how many times it is pointed out that he/she is making false accusations. They will continue to be made. I don't know how many times it has been shown to Yeshua1 that the pope NEVER said atheists' are saved, he/she continues to falsely accuse him of saying that.

Your right, TS, Yeshua1 should be able to PROVE these assertions but of course cannot.

 

The RCC says that Christians/Jews/ and Muslim worship same God, and that those who are sincere in their faith will have the Lord credit that towards them, as He sees that as evidence they would have received RCC as the real church if they but knew!

NOT all muslims and jews and other faiths will be saved per RCC, but the sincere and devoted ones to those religions will indeed get saved!

 

Let's take a look at what pope Francis said in his sermon last Sunday. 'Faith in Jesus Christ came in with the New Testament and the Resurrection. That was the event that signaled the change in man’s relation to God.

No longer would man strive to attain righteousness through works of the law – Jesus’ sacrifice had bridged that gap for all who accepted Him as their Savior. But at the same time, Jesus’ sacrifice meant that the choice for humans – God /Jesus or man – was now more stark than it ever had been before.'

Pretty clear what he says changes man's relationship to God. Accepting Jesus as Savior.

 

And you continue to ignore what the Church actually teaches as TS has stated above and I will re-post here. What part of it don't you understand?

Although in ways known to himself God can (in other words if there is a means outside of the Church by which one can be saved and known to God it is within God's prerogative to save them it doesn't require him to do so) lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel,(In other words if you have knowledge of the Gospel or have been exposed to the faith this exception doesn't apply to you. This line speaks only to those who never was exposed to the Gospel because of their circumstance like a Celt living 200 years before Jesus Christ think of Melchizedek who wasn't under Abrahams covenant yet somehow became exposed to God. And generally speaking I would believe there are today very few in this situation.) to that faith without which it is impossible to please him,(and still faith must be exhibited by these under the "exception".) the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

"What the Catholic Church really teaches about Jews and Muslims is that God is calling them to the Church for their salvation but they have the advantage of having some similarity with the Christian faith. But just being Jewish or Muslim isn't enough for salvation. That is the real teaching of the Catholic Church." (Thinkingstuff)

 

is this official cathoilc teaching or not?
www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_othe4.htm

 

I find it truly mystifying and amazing that there are otherwise good, God-fearing people who are willing to believe that someone of a specific faith or denomination preaches heresy without actually looking at what that man said.

Anyone with a brain can read his comments and see he did not "assure atheists they can go to heaven without believing in God." That is an absurd, truly ignorant conclusion based on total fallacy.

We as Christians need to stop demonizing the largest Christian denomination in the world, and worry about our own backyard. The fictions told about the Catholic Church are numerous and vicious. Believe them if you wish, but why you would want to waste your time doing so is beyond me.

 

:applause::applause:

 

If you REALLY want to know what the Catholic Church teaches and not what others SAY the Catholic Church teaches, pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read it for yourself. Thinkingstuff has quoted directly from the Catechism and shown how mistaken you are. You just refuse to accept it.

 

Straight off that document then!

Rome teaches heresy of baptismal regeneration, teaches salvation by mixture of faith and good works, teach sacramental grace heresy, Eucherist heresy, heresay of the papacy etc...

really, pretty much all bad theology!

 

The Pope is quick to spin the simple question about approving of a sin the Bible calls an abomination - around to "how much do you value people".


Interesting spin-doctoring. I wonder where this is leading.



in Christ,


Bob