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The unpopular (but deadly) truth of conditional salvation

Amy.G

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Many have said that such people are "marked" with a seal.
Not "sealed" with a seal that cannot be broken.
No one can break God's seal. And God's word says sealed unto the day of redemption, not until I sin my way out of heaven. God says I am sealed by the Holy Spirit (God). Who can break that seal?

My most trusted commentary written by a Pentecostal missionary ...
So what? Does he trump the authority of God's word?


Too bad you're not taught by Pentecostals/Charismatics.


I have been taught by charismatics in the past. That's why I know better now.
 

steaver

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Here’s a page full of “conditional salvation” verses …

1 Cor 15:1-2 • Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you,
which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved,
IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

Heb 3:6 • … but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are
IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Col 1:22-23 • … to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight
IF indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away
from the hope of the gospel

1 Jn 2:3-5 • Now by this we know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments.
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God
is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

Rom 8:13-17 • For IF you live according to the flesh you will die;
but IF by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
… we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God
and joint heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him

1 John 1:7-10 • But IF we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship
with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar

Heb 10:38-39 • Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

Heb 2:1-4 • Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard,
lest we drift away. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every
transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape
IF we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and
was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, God also bearing witness both with signs
and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

2 Pet 2:20-22 • For IF, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the
knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and
overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been
better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it,
to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them
according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and,
“a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

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Even though you have been shown many times how you have fallen from grace, Gal5:4, you remain stubbornly unrepentant. Do you wish to remain in this state of fallen from grace??
 

evangelist-7

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Lost man isn't free in his will but a slave (enslaved) to sin and is not free until Christ sets them free.
The genius responded above to the following question:
'Kay, genius ... why did God give humans free will?

And the less-than-genius one says:

Gee, must be more to it than that ...
God gives free will to man, but he's NOT free to use it?
He's NOT free to use it in the most important decision of his life?
Yes, that's true ... man is NOT free to use his free will to choose salvation!
(Actually, "prevenient grace" says he can choose to reject God's grace.)

The more to it is ...
After being born-again, the BAC can use his free will to co-operate
(or not to co-operate) with God in his sanctification-unto-holiness process.
And this is what conditional salvation is all about.

To be (co-operative) or not to be! ... The BAC's salvation hangs in the balance!

P.S. Those who don't like this are free to throw 70+ Scripture verses in the dumpster.
Hey, how 'bout that coincidence! ... 70+ Scripture verses reveal that Jesus is God.
Non-trinitarians and OSASers have thrown 140 Scripture verses in the dumpster!

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Yeshua1

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Many have said that such people are "marked" with a seal.
Not "sealed" with a seal that cannot be broken.

My most trusted commentary written by a Pentecostal missionary ...

"The Holy Spirit's seal is our passport to heaven. Let us not lose it!"

Too bad you're not taught by Pentecostals/Charismatics.
But, thou art taught by cessationists who are lacking some (not all) spiritual understanding.

Just, try to keep an open heart and mind, okay.

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thank GOD that he delivered me outof "Charasamtic chaos!"

the Father holds me in His hands, and NONE call pull me out of there, the Son died to pay and atone for all my sins, and the Spirit marked me out and sealeed me for eternity!

thank GOD we teach the bible, NOT your false version of It!
 

Yeshua1

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'Kay, genius ... why did God give humans free will?

Your answer: To see who gets which rewards.
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problem with that though is that ONLY Adam/Eve and jesus ever had "real free will", and they both lost that for them and rest of us in the fall!
 

Yeshua1

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What is your problem anyway? ... God can break that seal.
Thou belongest in the same Kindergarden class as el Steavadore cigar and el Yesua!

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God CANNOT break that seal, for IF he did that, would mean that Jesus death was not sufficient to save us per Will of God!
 

Thomas Helwys

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This thread could be productive if you all would stop insulting each other and accusing each other, but I don't expect that to happen.
 

evangelist-7

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This thread could be productive if you all would stop insulting each other and accusing each other,
but I don't expect that to happen.
How is it possible for it to be productive when it is deluged by those with a strong historical bias?

I came to Scripture with none such.

I'm writing different spiritual Truths for those who can/will accepct them.

I'm not here to argue, although some people may see truth in an argument.

Meanwhile, where is your productivity?

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Yeshua1

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This thread could be productive if you all would stop insulting each other and accusing each other, but I don't expect that to happen.

have to remember that Jesus and His Apsotles were pretty adament teaching against false doctrines andfalse gospels coming into the church!
 

Yeshua1

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How is it possible for it to be productive when it is deluged by those with a strong historical bias?

I came to Scripture with none such.

I'm writing different spiritual Truths for those who can/will accepct them.

I'm not here to argue, although some people may see truth in an argument.

Meanwhile, where is your productivity?

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We know that follow the word of God, that we have the real Gospel and real doctrines of the Faith, but you? Not so much, as you heed a false spirit "illuminating you!"
 

BobRyan

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have to remember that Jesus and His Apsotles were pretty adament teaching against false doctrines andfalse gospels coming into the church!


Which is why we see references to "fallen from Grace and severed from Christ" Gal 5:4

And "you stand only by your faith ... you should fear for if He did not spare them neither will he spare you... but He is able to graft them in AGAIN if they do not continue in unbelief" Romans 11.

And of course who can forget the "forgiveness revoked" teaching of Christ, in Matt 18 -

Along with "Every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit" is first pruned and then if it does not bring forth fruit - is taken away - dried up and dead and then cast into the fire. John 15.

"Not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but rather He who DOES the will of My Father" Matt 7.

in Christ,

Bob
 

evangelist-7

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If you are not living righteously, you are not part of God's elect

“… whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” (Acts 10:35)

“… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

Please, choose to be "(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

“… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:19)

And, if you really do become ...
"slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." (Romans 6:22)

Are all BACs slaves of God, slaves of obedience, and slaves of righteousness?
If so, then I am wrong about all of this.

The Bottom Line is what few are willing to accept ...

Man's salvation depends on a working relationship and co-operation
between man and God (as it has always been throughout Scripture)!


Cessationism and OSAS are Satan's greatest triumphs against man gaining salvation!
They are both from the very pits of hell.

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steaver

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If you are not living righteously, you are not part of God's elect

“… whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” (Acts 10:35)

“… you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.” (1 John 2:29)

“… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” (1 John 3:7)

Please, choose to be "(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?” (Romans 6:16)

“… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.” (Romans 6:19)

And, if you really do become ...
"slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." (Romans 6:22)

Are all BACs slaves of God, slaves of obedience, and slaves of righteousness?
If so, then I am wrong about all of this.

The Bottom Line is what few are willing to accept ...

Man's salvation depends on a working relationship and co-operation
between man and God (as it has always been throughout Scripture)!

Cessationism and OSAS are Satan's greatest triumphs against man gaining salvation!
They are both from the very pits of hell.

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I have to give you credit for being out right truthful and transparent with your beliefs. Very few who believes one can lose their salvation are willing to be so direct and honest about it. :thumbs:

But remember, if you wish to hold to this doctrine of works plus grace, you have fallen from grace. (Galatians)
 

evangelist-7

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At the judgment, I have Jesus as my advocate!
Well, great, I guess I won't bother askin' ...
"How's your practicing of righteousness doin'?"
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Not too well, I'll guess!

How's that song of yers go again? ...
Safe in His arms, safe and so secure!
No matter what I duz, safe and secure!


Yup! ... Great song!
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Thanks for reminding me!

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