Featured I was born this way...

Yeah, it's a total cop-out answer, but it is the best answer you can give if you believe newborn babies are sinners.

Abraham seemed to believe differently;

Gen 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

 

I trust that all the things God does is Good. His work is perfect, yes. All God's ways are judgment and He is Just in truth. Where is the truth in God creating a baby and judging it before it even enters the world or before it reason with it's own God given mind where it can be held accountable and judged in truth???

Will you say that God has predestined some to be evil and that's how He judges before they can respond? If so, then you've violated the truth that all God's work is perfect and He is without inequity, not evil can come from Him, He is not responsible for evil, ever. God is Truth, one should hold to that premise FIRST!

I'm afraid the premise you are putting first is one of a doctrine of original sin that does not fit Gods ways that He is a God of judgment in truth. Therefore, sorry, but I think your reasoning is flawed based on your premise.

 

Yes, but we are not talking about temporal death, we are talking about everlasting punishment.

Yes, God did command the Jews to kill children and babies. The reason is, these children would grow up and revert to their parents evil religions and pervert Israel.

We see this today when many black Americans revert to Islam. Is that good? They will die and go to hell.

But those children of the wicked nations God had Joshua kill all went to heaven.

 

In the words of Winman, "bologna".

The fall in which all will sin ("bound TO sin", BY the nature they where born with, human volition) is not being disputed by him the doctrine of Augustine's original non-free will sin is being disputed. Any time you would like to stick to the belief the Determinist view of original sin as a Baptist only issue let me know because I'd like to see you try to logically avoid a view of determinism in the process.

 

That's not a good answer and you know it. It has to do with justice. God does not send innocent babies to hell for eternity because they do not understand right from wrong.

When the Jews sinned in the wilderness, God did not allow them to enter the promised land which is a figure of heaven.

But God did allow their children to go in and explained why, they did not know between good and evil in that day that they sinned.

Deu 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Another example is Jonah. Jonah was a bigot and did not want the people of Nineveh to be saved. But why did God say he SHOULD spare them? Because there were 120,000 small children in the city that could not discern between their right hand and their left, and much cattle. These little children were just as innocent as the cattle that cannot sin.

Jon 4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

And yet another example is David's son who died. He was the child of David and Bathsheba's adultery, but David said he would go to the child. This tells us the child absolutely went to heaven, as David was a prophet, and God had promised the Messiah would come through his seed.

2 Sam 2:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

It's a good thing God did not impute David's sin to this little baby, or he would have went straight to hell.

 

Amy.G

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Yes it was:thumbs::wavey::thumbs:

 

Annisi, while I truly have no answer (and I am not being snarky or accusatory) I find this argument, which I have heard before, "atrocious". I think (just myself) we honestly don't know why, other than the fact "he is God", he would order the destruction of all life including children. Many have pondered and plundered for the answer to questions like this, but I think they just may elude us.

 

Sorry Skan, the reason you cannot convince Calvinists is because you still are one.

Original Sin is FALSE DOCTRINE.

Yes, we are all born "flesh" and the flesh lusts against the Spirit and tempts us to sin, but this does not make us sinful. Jesus came in the flesh and was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are, yet without sin.

It is OBEYING our fleshly lusts when they would cause us to transgress God's laws that makes us evil. This can only occur when we are old enough to understand right from wrong.

You still have one foot in Calvinism. That is why you cannot overcome it.

 

WM, perhaps I am theologically naive, but I don't think "original sin" is an idea or doctrine which lands solely in the reformed camp. I am pretty sure that many on both sides of the theological aisle subscribe to some form of it.