Featured Josie the Outlaw: Message to Police

Gina, marijuana is the most dangerous drug on the planet, precisely because even sane, intelligent people such as yourself have bought into the lie that it is a "safe" drug. There is no "safe" drug! Marijuana has been proven to cause the following medical and mental health problems:

• Reduces levels of testosterone, which equates to reduced ability to gain lean muscle mass. Based on this, one can say "If you smoke weed don't bother going to the weight room."
• Reduces libido and sperm count
• Produces sperm with abnormal chromosomes
• Disrupts menstrual cycles
• Produces less healthy eggs in women
• Development of the mammary glands (gynecomastia) in men
• Studies show that THC damages the hippocampus, a critical part of the brain in terms of learning and memory
• Amotivational syndrome -- engenders an uncaring, unconcerned attitude toward work, school, family, etc.
• Slows the transmission of neurochemicals due to the thickening of the walls of brain cells
• Causes anxiety and panic reaction
• Increases heart rate and blood pressure
• Reduces the supply of oxygen in the blood (at a time it needs more oxygen due to increase HR and BP
• Decreases effectiveness of the immune system

WSU study on marijuana effects​

Obviously, given the evidence against the ability to use the drug safely, you shouldn't be. And you're sending mixed signals to your children, holding those views but being for legalization.

There are no proven medical benefits -- regardless of what the so-called "medical marijuana researchers" claim -- for marijuana. None. Nada. Zip. Zero. Big fat goose egg. Zilch. It is insane to buy into the lies the marijuana industry has sold to the American public. Great, it reduces pain. So does LSD. So does cocaine. Perhaps we should legalize them, too. There are better, much safer analgesics and NSAIDS on the market that won't give you lung cancer four times faster than cigarettes, which marijuana does. It may be a decent anti-nausea medication for chemotherapy patients, but why risk the deadly side effects, which make those of traditional pharmaceuticals pale in comparison? These bogus researchers have no factual, statistical, or scientific research basis upon which to base their claims, and when you look closely at their "figures" you see that they are grossly outside the acceptable parameters of valid research done by the pharmaceutical companies, as required by the FDA.

There is nothing "natural" about the marijuana grown today. It is a cultivated crop, like corn, soybeans, and wheat, and as such has had chemicals added to increase the desirable attributes of the plant -- in the case of pot, that is THC. It is ten times stronger today, bordering on 40% content in some varieties, than it was in the 1960s.

Through abuse, yes. In moderation, alcohol is proven to have health benefits that are totally absent in marijuana. There are several of these benefits, not the least of which is shown in Harvard's study on reduced cardiovascular disease through moderate alcohol use.

True. And yet you would add more evil to that which the government allows and regulates by legalizing a very dangerous drug.

I haven't said, "Obey the government, even when it is wrong." I do say, the government has allowed a product on the market -- alcohol -- that, if used in excess, is dangerous, but is at least neutral, and perhaps beneficial, if used in moderation. As it is a product that employs nearly a million people around the country, it would be extremely detrimental to the economy to once again shut it down. That case can't be made for marijuana. Since it became a heavily used and popular recreational drug, it has not been widely available legally, nor should it be now. We've all but shut down the tobacco industry because of it's complete lack of health benefits and for being a product that, used as directed, will kill you. This was reason enough to treat it differently than alcohol. Why add back into the problem by legalizing a product that causes all the health issues above, besides having nearly seven times the tar content as cigarettes and three times the carbon monoxide output? These will also kill you, and quicker than cigarettes.

Again, you are absolutely correct in stating that when the government does evil, it is to be disobeyed in favor of the law of God. George III was the embodiment of evil intent towards the Colonies, and the only choice our founders had was the revolution and war they fought to valiantly "bring forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

Totally irrelevant to the discussion. The deadly contents of margarine are so minute as to be non-existent, in comparison to that "natural plant" you are so anxious to legalize.

The use of marijuana is far more dangerous to your health, physically and mentally, than using pain-killing drugs that cause the symptoms you describe in less than 1% of patients who use them. The effects I've listed caused by marijuana are nearly universal in all users, and we are beginning to get some really frightening statistics for those symptoms in so-called "medical marijuana" users who have been actively smoking four to seven joints a day for more than three years.

Josie is a rebellious little anarchist who wants nothing more than her way, all the time. That attitude leads to addiction, crime, early unwanted pregnancy, bad healthcare laws. If you like that, then by all means, continue to think Josie has all the answers.

We may indeed have too many laws. Particularly at the federal level where they seem bent on completely controlling our lives from cradle to grave. But the drug laws are not among the ones that are too numerous.

You're inviting anarchy, and if you were to see what that looks like, you wouldn't be so quick to think that's a great idea. We need officers to think and act swiftly, not sit around and agonize over whether they should do, or sit. That is a dangerous situation in and of itself.

An officer who questions whether or not he should enforce the law is in the wrong part of the justice system. He should go to law school and become a criminal defense lawyer. He has no business being on the street. Most never hesitate, and I'm grateful they don't, even if eventually the court system proves them. in that situation, to have been wrong. I'd rather they act and be wrong than hesitate and get themselves and/or others hurt or killed, or think they have a questionable situation before them and choose not to act, only to have consequences arise from that decision that could have been avoided.

 

From the standpoint of a law, yes, it would be insane. But I'm not sure where you got the idea Missouri or Kansas has such a law. We don't. One was proposed before the Missouri legislature six years ago, but it never got out of committee.

I didn't think I had to, given the obvious proof for the danger of marijuana usage. Also, I wrote so much, I had to edit my post for it to be under 10,000 characters anyway. However, if you want, there is this:

Men's Health: The Truth About Medical Marijuana​

None of these problems exist for approved pharmaceuticals already on the market for years. That is what makes the medical marijuana debate so ludicrous. The delivery system is pathetic, the effect is unpredictable and always provides less relief than other medications, and the premise is based more on the hype of "pot heads with degrees" than it is on realistic expectations and proven worth.

The cancer patient may claim to have a higher, more noble purpose for his/her addiction than the meth addict, but the bottom line is, the marijuana user is using a product approved on dubious research with far less effectiveness than other options, for the sole purpose of being able to legally consume marijuana. I'm sure you don't like that analysis, but it the truth. Excuses made that other drugs do more damage are based on falsehood, not fact. Other drugs are better options with far greater results and far less serious side effects.

Totally untrue. There is very little difference at all. Again, I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

And again, that claim is absolutely false. It is proven false by valid research done by the NIH and NCBI.

As is stated in the Men's Health article above, it is no more effective as a medication when taken in pill form. The pill form does eliminate the harmful, perhaps fatal, effects of smoking marijuana, but it does nothing to improve the delivery system, or the drug's effectiveness.

Your characterization of alcohol as "deadly" is a gross exaggeration, particularly in comparison to the deadly nature of marijuana. I proved that in my previous post, through the Harvard study on alcohol use in moderation being beneficial to cardiovascular health. Marijuana can make no such claim.

Since it isn't the dangerous drug marijuana is at any level of usage, moderate or not, yes, it is OK.

I'm not into the law making people's lives better. That would be a bad characterization of what I've been saying. I am into the law preventing the widespread, uncontrolled use of dangerous substances, and that is what marijuana laws and other laws outlawing Schedule I through IV drugs accomplish. I am all for them.

You're repeating yourself in spite of the fact that I've shown moderation in alcohol consumption is not going to destroy anyone, and is beneficial, while the moderate use of any Schedule I-IV drug is dangerous to mental and physical health, and costs the American people billions of dollars every year as it is. Making those drugs, or even just making marijuana, legal would add to the already burdensome expense of treating alcoholism. Were it not for the fact that alcohol has been a legal chemical for thousands of years, and has become an industry, I would not be a fan of it, either. But given there are so many dependent on its continued production, on top of the fact that moderation is not the cause of the problems associated with alcohol, I can't legitimately be against its use and sale. Because marijuana and other drugs cannot be used moderately without ill effect, and expense to the American public, and there is no legitimate industry grown up around its use and sale, I find it no contradiction to stand as I do, against legalization of those chemicals.

Now you're being irrational, because I haven't said that 1) it isn't a drug, or 2) that it isn't addictive. In fact, I gave you very solid figures on the cost to the American public on the abuse of alcohol in this country, before and after Prohibition, and the need to treat those who abuse it. Which is why I have the education I have, and do the work I do.

That's a valid point, but it doesn't negate the hearth healthy aspect of moderate alcohol use, either. Also, there are a lot of other foods that are heart healthy, too. I don't advocate using cardiovascular oriented drugs in place of them, either. I can't advocate for the use of a bad, dangerous, mostly illegal drug in place of legal, safer, more effective drugs, for the same reason.

That validates your wrong-headed view for legalizing marijuana, so I understand why you say it. But it's still wrong-headed.

 

We still have a law on the books that says our restaurants can't serve cherry pie ala mode, on Sundays, and Wichita has a law against carrying a concealed bean snapper. In Missouri, a man has to have a permit to shave, and bathtubs with four feet resembling an actual animal's appendages are illegal. So what? They don't get enforced. This is what you've been talking about all along, not the drugs we've begun to discuss. But when you attempt to extend the sanity of not enforcing such stupid laws to the non-enforcement of laws truly in the public interest, such as wanting to make marijuana legal or expect police officers not to enforce them, you're getting into the realm of negligence and unthinking illogic yourself.

In my line of work, I see a few medical marijuana users. They wander in here form out of state on occasion, usually getting stopped for operating a motor vehicle while under the influence. Really? Responsible people don't take medications that make them drowsy and then try to drive cross-country. These "medical marijuana" users aren't one whit different from those who use it without benefit of a "prescription." The court even sent me one guy who thought he could use his Colorado "medicinal marijuana" card in Missouri. How ignorant is that?

Oh, I can imagine it all right. Just like when a client sits across from me and says, "I don't need to quit. I'm not hurting anyone."

That's when I say, "Really? The court sent you here to see me because you've been busted for possession five times in the last eight months, you've failed two UAs in the last three months, you were seen at your house by your probation officer three weeks ago high as a kite and totally oblivious to the fact your child was wailing in his crib because his overloaded diaper smelled like an outhouse and food was burning on the stove. How is that 'not hurting anyone'?"

Then I get the look you describe. I know it well.

Sorry, Gina, I know I've probably stepped on your toes today, and I apologize. However, the bottom line, despite all the arguments you may make, is that "medicinal marijuana" is as useless as mudflaps on a turtle. Marijuana in general is just as dangerous to one's physical and mental health as those street drugs you want to separate it from. It needs to remain illegal, and the fraudulent use of it as "medicine" needs to be exposed for the folly it is. God bless.

 

Unthinking logic? You mean like being a "conservative" and defending one of the very things that increases the size and scope of government and restricts our constitutional rights in the name of "keeping us safe" from ourselves?

Do you even know why MJ and cocaine are illegal TND?

I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with any alleged negative effects on our health. I'll give you another hint with MJ it's to protect rich men's profit. Cocaine is illegal because of racism against black men.

And that "scientific" study you are relying on has been shown to have used some rather unscientific methods to come the conclusions it did.

Important Cannabis-Related Studies

If we have to outlaw something that is proven to be dangerous to our health then outlaw GMOs. They are proven to cause tumors and sterility but they are a money maker for big corporations that have fought tooth and nail to keep us from knowing what foods they are in.

Don't know about you but I don't care much for being one of Monsanto's lab rats. I can choose to stay away from MJ and cocaine, not so with GMO because we aren't allowed to know what foods contain them. Why? Hint. Rich men's profits.

 

Pure unadulterated nonsense from the Mother Jones side of the Earth. Or is that "under the Earth"? You should write for NORML. They pay better for lies.

FYI, your denial of the proven -- not alleged -- negative physical and mental health effects of marijuana sound like they're coming from one of the people I see on a typical day. I've got an opening next Tuesday at 1:00 p.m. Want me to hold it open for you?

 

You should write for Saudi Faux Snews. You sound and act just like Bill O. A mildly comical snooty know it all pretending to be a conservative.

Conservatives (genuine conservatives) have always been for limited constitutional government and spending money wisely but here you are arguing for bigger more intrusive government, more government control over our lives, less constitutional rights and continuing to waste 80 + billions dollars a year on a failed policy that even our "drug war" allies want to end.

They're tired of their people dying for our drug problem. Go ahead google "world leaders against the war on drugs". Nevermind I'll do it for ya.

https://www.google.com/search?q=world+leaders+end+the+war+on+drugs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp

TND gets real nasty and abusive when he's losing a debate doesn't he Gina? :laugh:

 

Losing? No one has even bothered to challenge me. Why would I get snooty over that?

I might, however, get snooty over fake patriots who wouldn't know a real fight if it jumped out of the weeds and bit them on the butt, though.

 

Gina ...

I appreciate your viewpoint, and I do understand it. As I've said a few times on here, I know the criminal justice system well. I was in it once. I know how police officers work, I know their tactics aren't always the cleanest or most straight-forward, I know that some enforce stupid laws for stupid reasons. Your examples of lemonade stand and the snowman incident point up the need for this subject to be kept in the public's forefront.

I also know that police officers need to take people off the streets who are like me back when I needed to go to prison. Yes, there was nothing nefarious or underhanded about their investigation. I was guilty of white collar crime, I was out of control doing what I was doing, I needed to be incarcerated. And I was.

I have a great deal of respect for the men and women in law enforcement. Many are my friends, even among those who investigated me, arrested me, testified against me. They have a job to do, and they do it well. Though there are times when some engage in "stupid-law-for-stupid-reasons" enforcement, I would rather put up with the relatively few instances of that than have people like the kind I was running around hurting the public, whether in their bank accounts, or on their persons. All in all, the trade-off is fine with me.

Sure, I complain when a kid's lemonade stand is closed down because it violates zoning or business licensing laws, calling it stupid, insane, whatever.

When that same officer responds to a bank robbery/hostage situation and brings it to a successful close with everyone safe, I applaud his efforts. Which man is he? The one who closes lemonade stands, or the man who protects and serves so effectively? The truth is, he doesn't like having to do the stupid or the dangerous, but he willing does both. And I'm grateful for it.

 

I'd suggest you go to your local police department and interview patrol officers and see how many of them have this attitude. The officers in that "documentary" were hand selected by the producers and don't represent the mainstream viewpoint of officers on the job. Any officer who says "I just do my job and don't ask questions" isn't doing his job in the first place, but at the same time, their lives are on the line and they are going to protect themselves and the public first.

Overall, this is one of the most biased, slanted "documentaries" ever done, filmed with the express purpose of proving a preconceived notion without caring whether that notion was factual or not.

 

Gina, you can't win an argument with a progressive. :smilewinkgrin:

 

They didn't interview the people it happened to, they interviewed the cops who were willing to claim they are automatons. Not believable, sorry, Gina.

They're lying.

I find them unreliable, lazy and a danger to the public they're sworn to protect and serve.

I'm sorry. You're going to have to repost this in English. :laugh:

 

Meanwhile Back On The Streets

Police Now Taking Blood and Saliva from Drivers Across the Nation

WASHINGTON, DC — A federal program that began in Texas has now spread to an estimated 60 communities across the nation and shows no signs of stopping.

Police throughout the country are continuing to stop Americans at checkpoints to extract their blood and saliva under the direction federal government contractors, according to reports.

The agents responsible for the program claim that the extractions are being conducted to “reduce drunk driving” and that they are “voluntary.”

But citizens and civil liberties activists are deeply critical of the program, stating that drivers are tricked into submitting their fluids and that the program is fundamentally coercive.

http://filmingcops.com/checkpoints/


Store Owner Catches Cops Out of Control, Films a Year’s Worth of Abuse and Brutality

“Law enforcement officers now are part of the revenue gathering system. The ranks of cops are in competition with one another and intra-departmentally. It becomes a game. Policing isn’t about keeping streets safe, it’s about statistical success. The question for them is, ‘Who can put the most people in jail?’”

Friends, those are the words of former Miami police officer, FBI field agent, and SWAT sniper Dale Carson. Straight from the horse’s mouth.

http://filmingcops.com/store-owner-...l-films-a-years-worth-of-abuse-and-brutality/

Americans Killed by Cops Now Outnumber Americans Killed in Iraq War

5,000 Americans since 9/11. Many of these killings have occurred during no-knock raids, which have risen by 4000% since the 1980s.

Iraqi insurgents, by comparison, have killed around 3,500 Americans in Iraq since 9/11 in Operation Iraqi “Freedom.”

It is not just Iraq. The number of Americans killed by police also now exceeds the number of Americans killed by Afghan insurgents.

Afghan insurgents have killed around 2,000 Americans in Afghanistan since 9/11 in Operation Enduring “Freedom.”

The police are getting paid with our money to go on shooting sprees and they are killing more of us than the terrorists from whom they “protect” us.

Do not be too surprised. This data is to be expected; it naturally fits with the fact that the State uses “counter-terrorism” as a means to oppress and initiate violence against the population. In fact, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than by an actual “terrorist.”

http://filmingcops.com/americans-killed-by-police/


But their jobs are so hard.

“But their jobs are so hard!” This is something repeated ad nauseum by police apologists. (like TND) According to Forbes, construction workers have the 10th most dangerous job in the country. Sanitation workers are at number 7, with 25.2 deaths per 100,000 workers. Farmers are at number 4, with 38.5 deaths per 100,000 workers, and fishing workers have the most dangerous job in America, with 200 deaths per 100,000 workers (see full list here).

While police certainly like to fear-monger and wallow in self-pity about a completely fictitious “War on Cops,” and an alleged rise in police deaths, the reality is that police officers don’t even make the top 10 list of America’s most dangerous jobs (see more on the falsity of increasing police deaths in Paula’s article here). Not only are their jobs less dangerous than that of construction workers, loggers, sales people who drive, and machinery installers, their death rates could arguably be drastically reduced if only they would take ingenious new-fangled precautions such as wearing seatbelts. In recent years, car crashes killed more police officers than violence, and studies indicated up to 40 percent of officers killed in car accidents were not wearing seatbelts (Paula’s article). While they are busy being reckless, killing themselves and pinning it on the public, the public continues to cheer them on in their hard work and exemplary service.

http://www.copblock.org/2485/but-their-jobs-are-so-hard/

Cop Caught on Video Punching and Kicking a Child

The beatings and torture of the girl included: handcuffing her and slamming her head into walls; shackling her in a dark room for hours and starving her; burning her digestive system; whipping her with ropes; strangling her until she blacked out.

The video below was taken on the day that Officer Yachik punched and kicked the girl for eating carrots. Officer Yachik’s fiance stated that both herself and the girl were beaten for several years.

When Officer Yachik’s fiance sent footage of the abuse to the chief of police (Yachik’s boss), she received no response back from the chief. But Yachik called her soon thereafter and said ”Nice try…trying to get me fired…it’s not going to work,” according to the affidavit.

The fiance continued sending the footage to local media outlets. Yachik was eventually taken into custody by other cops — he was released after paying $1,500 bail.

http://filmingcops.com/cop-caught-on-video-punching-and-kicking-a-child/

This is just a tiny sampling of the hundreds if not thousands of these "isolated incidences" that happen every year.

 

This thread should be titles 'hate the police".