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Reincarnation The Second Birth!

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Trying2DoRight

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kyredneck said:
No! The word is used only four times in the bible and is always in reference to God calling out a people for His own possession, NOT to events in this temporal realm.
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You have done stated that you believe in predestination! Now you say that you do not! Please explain the contradiction?
 
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Trying2DoRight

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BobRyan said:
Fine then -- all people a born "human" - body soul and spirit which in places like Matt 10:28 is summarized as just body and soul. (Spirit and Soul may just be two different ways of describing (2 different aspects of) the same thing if Matt 10:28 is correct)
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Let's take you for example, how many times have you been born?
 
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JonC said:
Do you believe that the “second birth” is a reincarnation (that the passage you state refers to being born once again in the “flesh”? Why or why not? Do you know what you believe?
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This question needs to be answered by the one who started the thread.
TryingtoDoRight Let me repeat it again for you:

Do you believe that the “second birth” is a reincarnation (that the passage you state refers to being born once again in the “flesh”? Why or why not? Do you know what you believe?
 
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Trying2DoRight said:
This is predestination you are telling me about. Do you believe in predestination?
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kyredneck said:
Absolutely! Don't you?:

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ro 8

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Eph 2
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Trying2DoRight said:
Does this mean you believe, that all things are predetermined before they occur or take place!
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kyredneck said:
No! The word is used only four times in the bible and is always in reference to God calling out a people for His own possession, NOT to events in this temporal realm.
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Trying2DoRight said:
You have done stated that you believe in predestination! Now you say that you do not! Please explain the contradiction?
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Are you trying to be cute here or do you just think that you're clever?
 
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Trying2DoRight

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DHK said:
This question needs to be answered by the one who started the thread.
TryingtoDoRight Let me repeat it again for you:

Do you believe that the “second birth” is a reincarnation (that the passage you state refers to being born once again in the “flesh”? Why or why not? Do you know what you believe?
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Why do I need to answer this question for you to post the reason or reasons why you do not believe if you do not believe in reincarnation the second birth?
 
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Revmitchell

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Trying2DoRight said:
Why do I need to answer this question for you to post the reason or reasons why you do not believe if you do not believe in reincarnation the second birth?
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Interesting, why will you not answer the question? See the problem is the question in the op is weird. And I imagine that some are like me and are suspicious of you and what you believe. Now that you are dodging questions it only adds to that suspicion. Try answering the question.
 
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Trying2DoRight

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Revmitchell said:
Now that you are dodging questions it only adds to that suspicion. Try answering the question.
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Suspicion to what? That I am seeking the truth? That I can prove to myself? I do not answer questions that I do not have the correct answer too. Now if that makes you suspicious...I can live with that!
 
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Revmitchell

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Trying2DoRight said:
Because I am not completely settled on exactly what I do believe about the subject! And as I have previously stated it is not required by me to do so as to have a discussion with any of you on the subject!
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So let me get this straight, You are not sure that the second birth or being born again is not reincarnation?

Do I understand you correctly?
 
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prophet

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kyredneck said:
Quote The Archangel:

"In this context, the verb γεννάω is passive and affects the understanding of the adverb, ἄνωθεν.

What is more, Nicodemus' response shows that he understood the reference, primarily, to be "born again" --since he inquires of Jesus about the possibilities of entering "as second time" into his mother's womb.

The point of the interaction between Jesus and Nicodemus is that Nicodemus, "The Teacher of Israel," should have understood what "being born again from above," due to the passive verb, meant. Of course, he didn't. He thought it meant that some gynecological miracle would have to be performed. Jesus was referring to being born from above--regeneration.

Again, the key thing here is the passive verbs. Many people have taken Jesus' statement in John 3:3 to be a command "Get born again." But that's not what He's saying. He's saying God must do something to you--HE must born you again. So, the borning again comes from above, from God Himself.

Therefore, it is entirely proper to say "Born again from above"...."
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Maybe, since Nicodemus didnt necessarily speak Greek, he didn't pick up on that passive bit, cuz he was hearing it in Aramaic, not reading it in Koine.
 
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Revmitchell

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Trying2DoRight said:
Not every week.
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Ok we can give you some info here but this is not a good format to help you. I am not suggesting that you not be here but what I am saying is that you really need some one on one with a church where you can have more direct questions asked of you and answered for you. If you would like you can pm me and let me know and I will be glad to help you find a church local to you that you can receive the info you really need on this. But I am glad that you are reaching out to discover the answers.


And thank you for answering honestly.
 
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