Featured Takin' Back Our Country?

As you said I do have internet access. I know all the things you mentioned. CTB's point is still valid. Is his list want what America wants to go back to?

I also question what the Obama administration has to do with the OP. It seemed to about people who don't fit one mindset of what an American is.

What is the best way forward to 'take America back?' Does anyone really think that all of those horrible immigrants who speak other languages are really going to renounce their citizenship and move away?

 

No more than the Germans want to go back to Nazism, the South Africans want to go back to apartheid, Australia wants to return to being a prison colony, the former Soviet Eastern Bloc wants to go back to communism, the Cambodians want to go back to Pol Pot, the Argentines want to go back to Peron, Chile wants to go back to Pinochet ...

Other countries have much darker, sinister histories than we do, yet you and other liberals only seem to be able to recall the ugly that is in our past. Compared to many of those nations I just named, the U.S. has a wonderful history.

Also, this comment from you is a lie.

A liberally biased rewrite of American history. You want to view the indigenous people of pre-Colonial America as idyllic in manner and existence. The truth is, the native tribes were warriors who preyed on weaker tribes, slaughtered them, enslaved them, tortured them, raped them to a far greater extent than any atrocity visited upon them by the Europeans who settled here.

Don't try to sell me on the old "small pox infected blankets," the unprovoked raids aimed at only the women and children of native tribes, or the other nonsense "dastardly plots" whites allegedly executed against the natives, either, because those have all been proven to be the fruit of a biased and U.S.-hating academia that desperately wants those tall tales to be true, but who have no proof beyond their fanciful imaginations.

I have to question why you and CTB want to remember the ugly without remembering the best? It is disingenuous of you both to mention those things, many of which are lies or greatly exaggerated -- though not all of them, as I agree CTB's list has some dark history in it -- but refuse to acknowledge the great things nation has accomplished for the world. Liberals never manage to remember those things, though, so I shouldn't be surprised you two don't either.

See, this just proves to me you don't get it. This Marxist dictator-wannabe is not all that is wrong with this country, we can't blame him for all our ills, but he is taking us down the wrong path, and at the last Gallup poll, 72% of Americans agreed with that. We can't fix the other things wrong with the U.S. without getting rid of what is worst about the U.S., and that is this administration. Nor can we fix the other things while concentrating on the ills that came before. But I guess you and CTB would complain if hung you with new rope.

 

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Now, what would all you folk, who are bickering and beating your chest in righteous indignation, like to see the country return to?

 

Here is a summary of how effective Maryland has been in changing America for the past 15 years.

1988: NBC News projects Michael Dukakis wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

1992: NBC News projects Bill Clinton wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

1996: NBC News projects Bill Clinton wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

2000: NBC News projects Al Gore wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

2004: NBC News projects John Kerry wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

2008: NBC News projects Barak Obama wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

2012: NBC News projects Barak Obama wins Maryland's ten electoral votes.

 

Admin note - I have deleted or edited several posts without penalty to the offenders. Further personal attacks will incur infraction points.

 

CTB, we all know it was better in the good old days. We all want to see our past through the lens of Life magazine and Grit. We want to believe every church was filled to capacity, every man moral and every woman modestly dressed and folk were sober of mind and body. Governments were administered by the people; for the people. The streets were safe; nobody was ever shot stabbed or mugged. Families all gathered for prayer as soon as The Shadow went off the air.....

Life lived off the front cover of the Saturday Evening Post was just a small slice of the good old days. Nothing is new under the sun. Morals were as horrendous 60 years ago as they are today. Folks have been doing the horizontal polka since the beginning of time. I have a great-aunt that was 'sent away' because she was pregnant and unmarried. My grandmother raised her as a daughter for the first 7 years of her life. Noble work except Grandma had a boyfriend and Grandpa objected. Grandma had 4 husbands before she died and Grandpa had three wives. Yep. Folks were much more moral 100 years ago.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want to have to shut my TV off because somebody's having sex on a sitcom or two guys are kissing. I don't want to live under a torrent of gay agendas, drug abuse, violence and every other symptom of secular humanism. I don't want it anymore than any of you but it is part of our present reality and it has been since Cain beat Abel to death with a rock.

Time takes the edge off the sharpness of our past. Having lived in this era most folks expect to go to a grocery store and find what they are looking for. We can buy sweet corn at the local grocery in the middle of winter. Remember when you could only get it in late summer?

Do you want to go back to horse and carriage or walking as a primary means of transportation? Most folks I know get annoyed with a flat tire these days.

Twenty years ago you got online with a 14,400 baud rate modem on your $3000 computer that didn't have any storage of its own. 25 years ago you'd be having this conversation with a feller at the coffee shop not with faceless names from around the world. Not much tolerance for that these days either.

WHERE you want to take our country back TO is a valid question.

 

I think the question of 'taking our country back' needs the answer of 'to what point in history?' I also think we need to deal with the idea of 'help them pack.' Exactly who are we supposed to 'help pack?' Is that anyone who doesn't agree with the far right agenda? Does that anyone who holds to their culture should have to pack up and go?

America's greatness is due to her diversity throughout history. Is the desire here a totally homogenous culture?

 

Believe I did say that there is much right with our country. Also said that it is better in many ways than when I was a kid.

On your other point, if we do not face the dark side of our history there is no way to improve on ills from the past that are still with us and make the country even better. The same with new ills. If we do not face them there will be no change for the better.

You harp on Marxism. Would you please show me which of the tenets of Marxism Obama has pushed for. I'll help you. Here are ten tenets of Marxiam. Again, which has Obama pushed for?????

1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

A whole lot of people in this country are running around yelling Marxist, Marxist and in reality they do not know what Marxism is all about.

 

Your accusation of lying is untrue and unjustified. It is a view for which there is plenty of evidence. It is also a misperception of reality to say that all of the native peoples were vicious cruel rapists who deserved to be wiped out.

If anyone has a right to take the territory back it is the people who lived here first. Every one of us who is not descended from them is an intruder.

 

Rather than a point in history, I believe it should be taken back to a philosophy of liberty, individual rights, a small, de-centralized government that is restrained by the Constitution, and the sovereignty of the states.

I don't think we should throw people out. I've never cared for the "love it or leave it" mentality, but I do believe that we should restrict those who are allowed to come here to those who hold philosophically to our founding values.

I disagree. I tend to agree with Tocqueville, who said that our Republic's greatness was based on the...well, this being a Christian board, it would cause confusion to say the "goodness", so the neighborliness of its people, their work ethic, their reliance on God, and the egalitarian nature of our government.

 

And which people would we give it to? Which governing body?

 

Fair enough, I could agree with most of your post. But the video in the OP suggested 'helping them pack' and that OP is what is under discussion.

 

C4K (and possibly Squire) are probably why Crab(Mao)boy hasn't yet been banned for his proabortion arguments. They seem to serve the Socialist agenda, so by all means let's be oh so tolerant.

 

I think there are three incidents in American history to be ashamed of. Maybe you agree or think there are more.

1. Treatment of the Native Americans

2. Slavery

3. Internment of Japanese Americans before WW2 without justification.

 

Every American should read Tocqueville. I believe I'd best dig it out and read him again.

He also said:

This board certainly proves his point written so long ago.

His book, "Democracy in America" can be downloaded free of charge from www.gutenberg.org

 

Sorry for the mistake. This thread is reopened.

 

C4K: You have distorted my words. I am certainly an American citizen despite [edited] lies to the contrary. Please don't add to the confusion.

 

I'm afraid of this

With who the Dems will be running in '16----we in the United States are gonna taste what life was like in the Dark Ages!!!!

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Part I of reply ...

If we truly want to "Take back our country," we're going to have to get rid of this administration first. I never use the traitor's name, unless quoted by others, on this board, but I will say this plainly: Barack Hussein Obama is a Marxist.

One member demanded I show how Obama has any Marxist tendencies.

I don't think you're ready for this, but here goes:

On repeated occasions, the Great Pretender has thwarted the development of domestic energy supplies through arbitrary regulatory control over massive tracts of federally owned land and restricting drilling in American waters off our coasts.

He has an Ahab-like obsession with further raising taxes on “the rich” even though the top 1% of earners already pays almost as much of the federal income tax as the bottom 95% of taxpayers combined.

He has succeeded in reinstating federal inheritance taxes and recently proposed raising them further by reducing the dollar threshold at which the tax kicks in and no longer allowing that amount to be indexed to inflation.

The US has long been one of the few countries to tax its citizens on income earned abroad (a tax that applies to incomes above $95,100). In 2010, our pretend "president" won passage of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, which orders foreign financial institutions to provide information to the IRS about Americans’ offshore holdings. Obviously one of the purposes of having this information is to seize assets belonging to those who would flee his Marxist regime once it is established, or is apparent to be the next step in his destruction of democracy in the U.S.

Surely you jest?? Ever heard of the federal reserve? Certainly this trend was well established before this anti-colonialist/Marxist managed to dupe the American public and get elected president. Thanks to decades of deficit spending, enabled by an accommodating central bank willing to help underwrite the federal government’s chronic over-spending, Big Government and Big Finance have become joined at the hip. This was dramatically demonstrated in 2008 when the traitor doubled down on a necessary bailout authorized by George W. Bush and the Congress for Wall Street, necessary because to let those financial institutions fail would have meant collapse of the economy, with indebtedness being sold off at pennies on the dollar to first-come-first-serve buyers who would then ship that debt overseas. By that time, the heavily indebted federal government had grown far beyond Main Street banks’ ability to finance its massive fiscal operations. Only the colossal financial infrastructure of the megabanks and other gigantic financial institutions was sufficient to maintain an orderly market for the federal Treasury’s seas of red ink, and so federal intervention to rescue Wall Street was an inevitable act of self-preservation on the part of Uncle Sam, particularly since this Marxist was intent on furthering the debt in order to bankrupt the nation for his own purposes.

The Great Pretender has attempted to cow conservative media outlets like Fox News into submission through denunciation, has suggested reviving the so-called “fairness doctrine,” and has expressed hostility toward free speech, seeking to use regulations to shape and limit the public's ability to speak freely and potentially seek a redress of grievances, the oft-forgotten aspect of the First Amendment. In the area of transportation, Obama insinuated government into the auto industry through the bailout of Chrysler and GM coupled with the carrot-and-stick routine of dictating to them the kind of vehicles they could build, has favored the high-speed rail boondoggle, and wishes he could compel us all to convert to “green transportation,” such as electric cars and biofuels.

See next post for Part II

 

Part II of reply ...

Besides increasing government control of financial institutions (including having virtually nationalized the mortgage industry by taking over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) the pretend chief executive has moved to centralize control of health care and insurance; has dictated policies, and even hand-picked a CEO, of American automobile companies; and has done his best to increase government power over the energy industry through his green energy subsidies, his failed cap-and-trade scheme, and via EPA regulation. While he hasn't insinuated, as yet, the government into crop and agricultural land use, the farming industry is so poor and weak in political clout that to this point it hasn't been necessary.

Obama has ramped up the number of Americans working for Uncle Sam by securing a large expansion of AmeriCorps and winning passage of his Serve America Act. He also has done everything he could to strengthen labor unions, including bending over backwards for them to exclude them from healthcare requirements, thus making them beholden to him in future elections, and in future efforts to solidify his regime as a Marxist dictator, which at this point is still an extremely remote possibility, but is nonetheless, I am convinced, an option he entertains if his efforts to destroy the U.S. as it currently is constituted fail.

Under the Great Pretender, the Department of Housing and Urban Development has launched a plan to change where some people live to achieve an indefinite goal of a more even racial distribution of the population.

Additionally, one of the implications of cap & trade or other attempts by our Marxist leader to regulate how much carbon dioxide Americans emit via fossil fuel consumption is the prospect of government limiting human mobility by raising the cost (even to the extent of imposing financial penalties) for exceeding government-determined limits on how far a person may travel.

In Brian Sussman’s book, Eco-Tyranny, you can read an executive order that Obama signed on October 5, 2009 that would “divide the country into sectors where all humans would be herded into urban hubs” while most of the land would be “returned to a natural state upon which humans would only be allowed to tread lightly.” The difference here is that Marx wanted more equal distribution of the human population between town and country, whereas his African-rooted student currently occupying the White House favors urban concentration, but both want to control where people live.

It has already happened. True to his Marxist upbringing under the mentoring of the man his grandfather hand-chose, Frank Marshall Davis -- one of the leading U.S. communists in the 50s and 60s -- this clown has done more than any previous president to centralize control over education in Washington. He has essentially nationalized the student loan market. He has repeatedly tried to limit school choice, instead siding with would-be teachers’ union monopolists. The Great Pretender sought to extend the tentacles of federal control over how state education policies by arbitrarily granting waivers exempting some states from George W. Bush’s misguided No Child Left Behind Act, before unilaterally (and unconstitutionally) "repealing" the act via executive order in 2012. trampling on the Constitution, and the principle of federalism in granting waivers with strings attached, thereby reducing states’ independence.

Most recently, Team O'Marx has been pushing the Common Core State Standards—a follow-up to his “Race to the Top” program that spent over $4 billion to induce states to switch to federal standards for curricular guidelines. While Race to the Top and Common Core may sound innocuous or even reasonable, the actual effects are deleterious. Both programs essentially bribe states to replace their existing standards with federal standards, even though, as California has found out, states have had to “dumb down” their standards to conform to federal standards that are lower.

More ominously, the Obama administration is using the Common Core program to invade privacy all the same lines as he has accomplished using the NSA, IRS, and the CFPB. In 2011, the Department of Education unilaterally, without congressional approval, altered the regulations based on the Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 -- loosening them so that mounds of personal data about students may be collected. The personal data include not just academic records, such as grades and whether students complete homework assignments, but also disciplinary records, Social Security numbers, records of discussions with school counselors, as well as information about families’ voting status, religious affiliations, medical history, and income.

Michelle Malkin has reported that Team Obama’s Department of Education is preparing to use the most advanced technologies (e.g., cameras to judge facial expressions, electronic seats that report posture, a pressure-sensitive computer mouse, biometric wraps on wrists, etc.) to assess a wide variety of student attitudes—“appreciation for diversity,” “empathy,” “bias,” “cultural awareness,” etc.

Actually, we do, and we've got it in the White House. You can believe that or not, but if you want to keep cheer leading for this Marxist traitor, God help you when you get what you've asked for.

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