Featured The new Charles Finney?

What does this have to do with Finney?

 

Do these people not know that this is a dog & pony show? Im beginning to think that church people are either effeminate or severely stupid.

 

First America has never been predominantly reformed. I have no idea where anyone gets such an idea. Second, running away from emotion is contrary to scripture. When you repent of your sin how in the world do you not get emotional? Have you not ever been overwhelmed with the HG? I have and I can assure you it is quite emotional.


Emotion does not equal manipulation. No wonder reformed churches are small and dry. Lack of emotion means a dead church.

 

People aren't " convicted" unto Salvation, by the presence of a Spirit filled man. They still must hear the Word, and believe.
Our presence gives credence to the Word we speak, our faith is the evidence to others that God is real.
But the Holy Spirit doesn't come on them, until they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe that Finney was the beginning of apostasy in the US.

 

How do you hear the word if your deaf or if your brain damaged?

 

Furtick is a 1st class heretic. This is the least of his problems.

 

The last name says it all.:laugh:

 

The deaf hear and speak with their eyes and hands, no? And the brain damaged cant tell us what they understand, so supposing, without evidence, is futile.

Have you never seen God heal a lost person, so that they could hear the Gospel?
Why is it that we can believe that someone can have faith with no hearing (a miracle, were it so), but not that God will heal someone, so that they can hear (a miracle often done by God)?

 

That was my questiion to you. But you insist that one must hear the gospel........hear by what means? Then what is the gospel anyway? Does someone need to spoon feed it to me before I can believe?

 

Good news. News is received. It is communicated. It is preached. It is taught. It is read. It is seen.

 

Not to everyone.....that's the point.

 

Once again, you need to read the source material. You give knee-jerk reactions based on pre-conceived ideas. Yes, Furtick's church has an invitation for people to be baptized. At the onset of the invitation up to 15 church worker people leave their seats and come forward. Their purpose is to come to the front and help direct the HUNDREDS of other people who come forward.

Really, all it would take to put this issue to bed is to see an invitation. If hundreds of people spontaneously get up at the first part of the invitation and go forward for baptism, then there is no manipulation. If these 15 people slowing get up, one-by-one and wend their way down to the front and only after they've reached the front do others come forward, then yes, possible manipulation.

I presume you are of reformed theology. If so, here, ONCE AGAIN we have a Calvinist judging people.

Why are people so quick to judge others' efforts to evangelize sinners and mobilize Christians to good works?

 

We all know you have a strongly anti-Calvinistic agenda RM,but really -- you need to get out more. Where do you come up with your many false conclusions?

 

You may or may not like Furtick's theology and ministry...but he's not a heretic.

He has a questionable method of baptism. When his practice is probed by learned and wise leaders of his own convention they get branded "haters" and are not responded to by him or anyone in his church.

His church is growing and has some of the highest baptism numbers the SBC (his convention) has ever seen. I've heard several stories about people who have been transformed by his ministry...in good ways.

At this point I'm taking a Philippians 1 position that I may not care for his methodology, but I do rejoice in the life change that is taking place in his assembly. There are many ethical issues with him, and several other celebrity pastors (such a terrible thing that we have these) in the US right now. However, he preaches the Gospel and it is the same Gospel lots of us are used to hearing every Sunday.

He's not a heretic. That is a misunderstanding of what it means to be a heretic.

 

Solid and reasoned post in contrast to some who become too "emotional" when someone differs from any model that they suppose everyone should have.
I don't know Furtick, thus I will refrain from commenting.