If We Believe

Sounds to me like a theme song for the "JOEL OSTEEN" genre!!:BangHead::BangHead:

 

You do understand that the word "help" is liberal speak for government interference. It is liberal code language.

 

Okay, if I see moneychangers in the house of God, I'll knock over their tables and chase them out with a whip.

 

Nothing is wrong with helping others. If you think it's your duty before God to do so and you want to use the government strongarm of force to do it for you, you definitely do not advocate separation of church and state.

How "hard" do you come down on those who abuse religion? Do you follow His example and use a whip? Or is His example not worth following?

 

Your OP refers to Christ as the "model," so shut up about something he did not staying on topic.

The OP says nothing about the government? Okay, but you did make the statement, "So Christ was a liberal." You are not going to make a political statement and then think you can order other posters to say nothing about government-- or if you still try, such will be ignored.

Yes or No: do you advocate using the government to force people against their will to "help others?"

We carry out the message of Christ by doing what he said to do-- go, teach, baptize, help, and a lot more. Or were you putting it all on one aspect only?

Christ said he did not come TO condemn, so he did not. Yet his coming resulted in condemnation for some-- for instance, the scribes who said he casts out demons by Beelzebub and he had an unclean spirit. And there were others, such as: If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin [John 15:22]. Ever read anything about a double-egded sword?

I've answered your questions. Do you have the decency to answer mine?

 

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Hey, I must protest! Those z's are not in the OP.

 

Thank you very much. More following the example of Christ and His politeness-- e.g., "You brood of vipers!"

Yeah, I might notice.

No.

I didn't know there was such a division between "those who misuse religion" and "sinners." I wonder how hard he would/did come down on Paul for his religious boasting in II Corinthians.

Judgments don't talk.

The only questions were the same, and asked by both those who helped and those who didn't.

That neither group knew what they were, or were not, doing.

 

Conservatives out give liberals privately in a dramatic way. The people who need to hear the message of Christ about helping people is liberals.

 

May I refer you back to that OP that you claimed should restrict this thread? You said: "If we believe that Christ was God on earth then it follows that the way Christ lived his life and the way He treated others is the example of how we are to live our lives in relationship with others."

 

Crabtownboy's way of giving to others involves someone else's money.

His argument for those of us who want to reform welfare is to claim we want to end it.

It is not worth discussing. Leave him in his ignorant hatred.

 

The way to be like Jesus is through the church and our personal lives, not the government.

Christians have done much to help humanity, they have built hundreds, if not thousands of hospitals. Most charities that help the poor and orphans were started by Christians.

The only reason Social Security was started was because people neglected the biblical command to take care of their elderly parents. The scriptures do not teach that government should be used to help people, show where scripture ever says that.

 

OK, I agree with you. Is there more? Or, where are you going with this?