Arminianism another gospel?

[InTheLight]

The sin bearer CAN NOT pay! God is eternally UNPAID in your system.

Agreed.....

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, when Jesus said, "It is finished".




Where the "worm dies not and the fire is not quenched". Where the sinner is in torment for eternity. So if the sinner's sin is paid for in Hell, and Hell is eternal, when is the sin fully paid for? One second into the lake of fire? One day? One thousand years? When?

Its not a question of getting repaid, for ONLY death of jesus has infinite worth to do that, its more that they are receiving their just due for sins willing commited by the lost...

God has to have eternal consequences for those judgement, for Him to be fair...

 

[Yeshua1]

Wrong, it is impossible to pay that penalty! Don't you get it...Christ paid the penalty for sin. If His death only appeased the wrath against the alleged "sheep", all creation but them are still under Gods wrath and will never be redeemed. We know from the Bible that is not the case, all creation groans in anticipation of redemption.

So when you say all creation, are you stating that even sinners lost will one day get right again with God somewher in the future?

 

[Yeshua1]

Agreed.....

NO!

The payment of redemption has been made to Him, thru the death of Jesus, as ALL those whose sins were intended to be covered were fully covered!

That is why definite atonement fits the bible best!

 

[InTheLight]

Its not a question of getting repaid, for ONLY death of jesus has infinite worth to do that, its more that they are receiving their just due for sins willing commited by the lost...

Sorry, but Convicted1 said: "Sin is paid for in either the Sinbearer or the sinner,", so yes, he made it about sin being paid for, and I responded to his point.

 

[webdog]

So when you say all creation, are you stating that even sinners lost will one day get right again with God somewher in the future?

Wow, reading comprehension is sure lacking lately...

Sinners made their choice in unbelief. They have been justly sentenced for their unbelief. We are saved by belief. In both instances the sin debt has been incurred.

Animals, vegetation, stars, planets, etc, are under the curse as well...yet the curse will be lifted from them even though they never sinned nor are able to believe. If Christ's death didn't pay for mans sin against God that brought this judgement on ALL creation, ALL creation apart from the limited Atoners remain under the curse since Christ didn't die to lift the curse as well..

Limited atonement is a very selfish, self absorbed doctrine that fails to take into account exactly who and what sin affected.

 

[Yeshua1]

Wow, reading comprehension is sure lacking lately...

Sinners made their choice in unbelief. They have been justly sentenced for their unbelief. We are saved by belief. In both instances the sin debt has been incurred.

Animals, vegetation, stars, planets, etc, are under the curse as well...yet the curse will be lifted from them even though they never sinned nor are able to believe. If Christ's death didn't pay for mans sin against God that brought this judgement on ALL creation, ALL creation apart from the limited Atoners remain under the curse since Christ didn't die to lift the curse as well..

Limited atonement is a very selfish, self absorbed doctrine that fails to take into account exactly who and what sin affected.

Limited atonement ONLY refers to the extent of the saved, how God applies it towards the lost, as jesus died for his elect in Him...

Also means that the creation was redeemed, to be fully realized in the end of days...

 

[BobRyan]

However I do not necessarily agree that they have another gospel, I told this brother they are just confused and have an elementary understanding on things. .

Most of the Arminians i know - say that about Calvinism.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[JonC]

how can you claim it's man centered...and also it's not heresy? Anything man centered is heresy. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Good point. I would think anything that places man in the place of God is heresy - not, of course, that Arminianism is actually “man centered,” that would be a foolish statement (although I do believe Arminianism to be error).

You believe God will go an eternity unpaid for the transgressions committed against Him? Finite men paying an infinite penalty for eternity does just that, leaves Him eternally unpaid for the crimes against Him. The true judge of righteousness was eternally paid at Calvary when it was proclaimed it is finished. All sin, death and the curse were satisfied at that moment.

I don’t know that this is accurate, particularly since it places God in a position of victimhood (lacking “payment”). Perhaps it’s just the wording…I don’t know.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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