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Compare:

Ezekiel 3:18. "When I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand."

Ezekiel 3:20. "(When) a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand."

Ezekiel 33:6. "(If) the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand."

Ezekiel 33:8. "When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require from your hand."

With:

21 He said therefore again unto them, I go away, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sin: whither I go, ye cannot come.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn 8

Does 'die in your sins' unequivocally signify eternal consequences, i.e., bound for hell?

 

Take note, there is no ‘invitation’ contained in the above. It’s all matter of fact threefold stated, “ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins”, “ I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." To this same AUDIENCE later in this same discourse Christ matter of factly states, “Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word.”, “He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.”

Ezekiel was matter of factly told, “But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me”. Moses was matter of factly told beforehand that Pharaoh would not hearken.

John 3:16 also is not an invitation but is a statement of fact.

You say that “dying in sin means that the person is not saved” (I assume by that you mean unregenerate), I disagree. Consider the one in 1 Cor 5:5. I believe he was in very real danger of ‘dying in his sins’ while still yet bound for heaven.

 

The question of the OP was "Does 'die in your sins' unequivocally signify eternal consequences, i.e., bound for hell?"

Maybe the question should be 'Does 'die in your sins' unequivocally apply only to the unregenerate'? I don't think so.

Is it possible for God's redeemed born from above children to 'die in their sins'? I say yes, they can.

 

Thanks for commenting Icon, but I respectfully disagree that it is the ONLY meaning. On a recent thread now closed I stated:

“…..Orthodox Preterism is nothing less than a sound hermeneutical tool that adheres closely to a very basic rule of scripture interpretation:

The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed. - Charles Hodge….”

Consider the implications of these:

….. I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and charged them, saying, Go not into any way of the Gentiles, and enter not into any city of the Samaritans: but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 10:5,6

I suggest to you that everything that Christ had to say in His office as ‘The Prophet’ to Israel (just as Ezekiel and all the other prophets) should first be screened through this lens of ‘audience relevance’ to determine what is the immediate application to ‘the fold of Israel’ (Jn 10:16) of ‘that generation’ to whom the end of the age was to violently come upon. I believe this generation to be the very same ‘flock of slaughter’ of Zech 11 to which Christ fed in parables with the intent that they NOT understand.

Through the lens of audience relevance:

A.W. Pink:

“…"Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins" (John 8:21). The word "again" looks back to John 7:33, 34, where on a previous occasion Christ had made a similar statement. "I go my way" signifies I shall very shortly leave you. It was a solemn word of warning. "And ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins." Christ here addressed these Pharisees as the representatives of the nation, and looked forward to the sore trials before it. In but a few years, Israel would suffer an affliction far heavier than any they had experienced before; and when that time came, they would seek the delivering help of their promised Messiah, but it would be in vain. Having refused the Light they would continue in the darkness. Having despised the Savior, they should "die in their sins." Having rejected the Son of God, it would be impossible for them to come whither He had gone….”


John Gill:

“…… Though perhaps no more than a general faith is here intended, for want of which, and their rejection of Jesus, as the Messiah, the Jews suffered temporal ruin; and had they but believed that Jesus was the Son of God, and true Messiah, they had been saved from that temporal destruction which came upon their nation, city, and temple; but not believing this in a general and notional, way, they perished, as is here threatened…”

So we see, these two, Pink and Gill (and there are many others), at least allowed for an immediate interpretation of temporal ruin in lieu of eternal consequences in Jn 8:21-24.

I suggest to you that there is a certain amount of synonymy of phrases/idioms concerning this ‘dying in your sins’ to be found in the gospels, a few examples:

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3:7

for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be. Mt 24:21

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Lu 13

Well, there WERE those in this audience believing, vv. 30-32.

 

You know, I’m looking at your profile and I see you’ve already been complaining to the moderators about conditions here on the BB and I have to wonder if this is just a deliberate attempt on your part to derail this thread ('thread drift' as you call it) and get it tossed to the CvA forum when it has nothing to do with CvA, and I'm already gun shy from a recent infraction I got because of folks covertly complaining, so yeah, we’ve come to an end of our dialog.

http://www.baptistboard.com/converse.php?u=45467&u2=4535

Would you happen to have 'an axe to grind' with the BB for some reason?

 

True to form Yesh, you never build a case from scripture. You will only parrot the status quo.

Think there could be some synonymy between 'die in your sins' and 'sin unto death'?

If any man see his brother sinning a sin not unto death, he shall ask, and God will give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: not concerning this do I say that he should make request. 1 jn 5:16

 

In v 12 perhaps, other than that there is nothing being proffered in the passages you provided, Christ is stating the situation as a matter of fact. And by ‘salvation’ you mean ‘regeneration’ and not the deliverance for His sheep in this temporal realm as I see it.

Christ stated very plainly why some in the audience did not believe. But that’s not what this thread is about.

There’s no doubt that these you are describing perished eternally.

I suppose these passages…:

21 He said therefore again unto them, I go away, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sin: whither I go, ye cannot come.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. Jn 8

….are proof texts to evangelicals that hold to gospel regeneration, and I’m pretty sure that this is the lens through which you are viewing them. I’m guessing also you hold that those believing in vv. 30-32 became regenerate right then and there on the spot instantaneously because of/along with their belief.

Please don’t be offended and allow me the liberty to do some paraphrasing in order to make a point and ask some rhetorical questions for you to ponder. No need to even answer the questions if you don’t want. What I understand you to believe Christ is telling this audience:

21 He said therefore again unto them, I go away, and ye shall seek me, and shall go to hell: whither I go, ye cannot come.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall go to hell: for except ye believe that I am he, ye shall go to hell. Jn 8

Consider another warning of ‘the sword to come’, prophesied by Peter, that I believe perfectly reiterates what Christ is actually saying in Jn 8:

And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. Acts 3:23

Do you also insert eternal consequences into that one and would your paraphrase be:

And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall go to hell?

Another warning of ‘the sword to come’ given by The Prophet Himself:

1 Now there were some present at that very season who told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood [the soldiers of] Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And he answered and said unto them, Think ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they have suffered these things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom [the soldiers garrisoned in] the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Lu 13

Again, do you insert eternal consequences into this, and would your paraphrase be:

1 Now there were some present at that very season who told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood [the soldiers of] Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And he answered and said unto them, Think ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they have suffered these things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner go to hell.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom [the soldiers garrisoned in] the tower in Siloam fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise go to hell. Lu 13?

Another warning of ‘the sword to come’ given by John the Baptist:

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3:7

Once again, do you insert eternal consequences into this, and would your paraphrase be:

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from going to hell? Mt 3:7

And we’re kinda getting off track here, and duty calls, I’ve got to go tend to some real life stuff for now.

 

And you have my sincere apologies if I misrepresented you. When you're discussing reporting infractions with the mods (there seems to be a rash of that going on around here these days) it's easy to get the impression that's what you're getting prepared to do.

Question: Should someone offend you, are you likely to warn them up front first before reporting the infraction, or not?