Romans 6:23. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I would say that life through Christ is certainly an alternative to death.
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Repentance
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Romans 6:23. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I would say that life through Christ is certainly an alternative to death.
Repentance is not turning from sin. It is turning to God. Acts 20:21
Then I believe the English term for where we are at is logger-heads.
This is complete heresy.
Originally Posted by Judith
Repentance is not turning from sin. It is turning to God. Acts 20:21
Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
From Thayer's
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Thayer Definition:
1) a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
From the Net Bible:
Repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus. Note the twofold description of the message. It is a turning to God involving faith in Jesus Christ.
Repentance is always a change of mind. In the NT it is always connected with faith. Note that God does not believe or repent on behalf of the sinner. IOW, it is the sinner that must repent and believe; they are not gifts from God. God commands one to believe; not believes on their behalf (or gives them the faith to believe). That would be defeating the purpose of his command.
Salvation is an act of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ wherein as one puts their faith in Christ they at the same time take their eyes off the world and its sinful pleasures. This is a change of mind. It is also the definition of repentance--a change of mind with respect to one's attitude to God.
--a change of mind from the world of sin, to submission to God.
--a change of mind--that is what repentance is.
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CoC's use the "one verse" method to establish their pet doctrine, too. You can't just say one verse, and say, "Look, this proves my point." You have to take the whole of God's word.
I don't change or add to scripture. You are just a very poor handler of God's word.
Again, you said sinners don't turn to Christ in repentance, but rather, they turn to God for repentance. You have, whether you realize it or not, put Christ not as God.
Christ is God. God is Triune, being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. When you turn to God, you have to turn to Christ, because there are 3 that bare record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these THREE ARE ONE.
1 John 5:6,7 "This one is he who did come through water and blood -- Jesus the Christ, not in the water only, but in the water and the blood; and the Spirit it is that is testifying, because the Spirit is the truth, because three are who are testifying [in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;"
That is why I asked you if you believed Christ is God. Modalism has them not being three in one, but one in three....thereby denying the Trinity of the Godhead.
convicted1
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Romans 2:1-4 (YLT)
"Therefore, thou art inexcusable, O man -- every one who is judging -- for in that in which thou dost judge the other, thyself thou dost condemn, for the same things thou dost practise who art judging, and we have known that the judgment of God is according to truth, upon those practising such things. And dost thou think this, O man, who art judging those who such things are practising, and art doing them, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? or the riches of His goodness, and forbearance, and long-suffering, dost thou despise? -- not knowing that the goodness of God doth lead thee to reformation!
2 Corinthians 7:8-10 (YLT)
"because even if I made you sorry in the letter, I do not repent -- if even I did repent -- for I perceive that the letter, even if for an hour, did make you sorry. I now do rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye were made sorry to reformation, for ye were made sorry toward God, that in nothing ye might receive damage from us; for the sorrow toward God reformation to salvation not to be repented of doth work, and the sorrow of the world doth work death,"
2 Timothy 2:24-26 (YLT)
"and a servant of the Lord it behoveth not to strive, but to be gentle unto all, apt to teach, patient under evil, in meekness instructing those opposing -- if perhaps God may give to them repentance to an acknowledging of the truth, and they may awake out of the devil's snare, having been caught by him at his will."
Repentance, faith(justification), sanctification, glorification, I know this is at the last trump on resurrection day, all of these are gifts of God. God has chosen to save the heathen(nations) by faith. If faith is something we conjure up, then we justified ourselves.
This says nothing at all about faith or repentance (here translated reformation) as being gifts. It is teaching that everything we have is because of the goodness of God. If it wasn't we would all be in Hell as we so richly deserve. We deserve the wrath of God, but instead he showers his goodness upon us. That is the teaching here.
The entire passage is irrelevant. He is writing to Christians, the Corinthian believers who needed to repent of their sin. It was specific. They needed to have godly sorrow which is much different than the sorrow of the world. He is speaking about believers here, not the unsaved.
A totally irrelevant passage when speaking about salvation.
He is writing to Timothy about being a teacher. They must be meek, etc.
God doesn't do the repentance nor does he repent on their behalf. That is an obvious contradiction of Scripture.
Just as the Holy Spirit enables them to see their sinfulness, he also enables them to see their need for repentance. It is they who still need to repent, just as they who still need to put their faith in Christ. Scripture does not contradict scripture.
God does not give his gifts to the unregenerate.
Faith is confidence or trust.
Jesus said: Unless you be as these little children you cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
What did he mean?
Little children have implicit faith in their parents for protection, provision, etc. They will trust their parents, but not strangers. This is the type of faith that Christ demands of one who wants salvation.
The faith of a child--implicit faith, complete confidence without question in the promises of God.
Faith is faith. It is not blind; it is not mystical. It is confidence in the word of another. It is trust.
Faith always has an object. The object of our faith is Christ. It is Christ that saves. One needs to put their faith in Christ for salvation. He needs to become the object of their faith.
2 Corinthians 7:9-10
yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
convicted1
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DHK, you and Judith can start a crusade, sweeping across Canada.....
We'll call it the "Great Fakening'.....
We'll call it the "Great Fakening'.....
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convicted1
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The reason why Jesus preached repentance to the Jews? He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. They were His targeted audience. Yet the Syrophoenician's daughter was healed, and the Samaritan woman was saved.
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Well if you believe the bible is heresy that is your business. I believe what it says in the order it says it.
Just believe and teach what is written in the order it is written not what you want to believe and teach. Repentance toward God, and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Repentance is not what you turn from but who you turn to. Repentance of sin is the result of the salvation received, not the path to it. Repentance of sin is just one small part of a larger picture. We have to change our minds about God.
Godly sorrow or sorrow that causes on to change their mind about God. No mention of sin. Repentance of sin comes after salvation.
You do not know what the Bible says. In fact I have never seen you post one passage of scripture to support any of your heretical claims. However:
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Judith
Men are born turning away from God. When the Spirit draws a person savingly, they turn from sin, they turn from idols to serve the living and true God. It is not either or ,but both.
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Sure it is...you have a change of mind about sin, and your sinful lifestyle.
You turn from sin ,and turn to God.
it goes hand in hand...it is repentance from sin.
JBH28 had a fine post in the other thread;
Some falsely teach that this is a mere human trust, and not a grace gift from God. That is mistaken and indeed unbiblical. God grants this to people, then they work it out.
Look how some resist;
trying to blame the catechism which offers several sections of inspired scripture which he ignores....
Men are born turning away from God. When the Spirit draws a person savingly, they turn from sin, they turn from idols to serve the living and true God. It is not either or ,but both.
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Sure it is...you have a change of mind about sin, and your sinful lifestyle.
You turn from sin ,and turn to God.
it goes hand in hand...it is repentance from sin.
Our minds have to be renewed in all things.
JBH28 had a fine post in the other thread;
Some falsely teach that this is a mere human trust, and not a grace gift from God. That is mistaken and indeed unbiblical. God grants this to people, then they work it out.
Look how some resist;
trying to blame the catechism which offers several sections of inspired scripture which he ignores....
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Focusing on that which God does not focus on destroys the truth. God does not focus on sin when calling us to repent toward God. If we are repenting toward God, changing our mind toward God, then that is enough. We take thta heart of surrender and Lorsdship, place it on the lord Jesus Christ, thta is faith and we are saved. That makes us overcommers, new creations.
To add sin to the mix it becomes a works salvation. Repentance is not 50%, 75% or 99%. It is 100% or it is not turning to God. It is impossible to almost turn to God and call it repentance. Repentance of sin is the immediate result of salvation, not the path to it. We work our our salvation through the repentance of sin after we are saved.
convicted1
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God does not focus on sin???
Try telling that to those on the left standing before the Great White Throne....
God not focusing on sin is like us focusing in on stopping our breathing....
Try telling that to those on the left standing before the Great White Throne....
God not focusing on sin is like us focusing in on stopping our breathing....
preacher4truth
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God does not focus on sin???
Try telling that to those on the left standing before the Great White Throne....
God not focusing on sin is like us focusing in on stopping our breathing....
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Unfortunately she's in error and goes deeper in error as she goes.
She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." Mt. 1:21
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29
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