Repentance

[Judith]

God does not focus on sin???

Try telling that to those on the left standing before the Great White Throne....



God not focusing on sin is like us focusing in on stopping our breathing....

They are there because the refused to come to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If they had done that they would have repented of sin at their conversion.
If all they did was repent of sin and believe in jJesus they would still be at the great white throne because they followed a works salvation instead of a faith one. No one will be saved by repenting of sin. We have to come to repentance toward God.

 

[Rolfe]

She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." Mt. 1:21

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! John 1:29

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Rolfe]

They are there because the refused to come to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If they had done that they would have repented of sin at their conversion.
If all they did was repent of sin and believe in jJesus they would still be at the great white throne because they followed a works salvation instead of a faith one. No one will be saved by repenting of sin. We have to come to repentance toward God.

It may be that I am missing your point, but if we are to repent toward Our Lord, what/who are we to reject as part of that repentance? Scripture would be helpful, too. Thanks.

 

[jbh28]

They are there because the refused to come to repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If they had done that they would have repented of sin at their conversion.
If all they did was repent of sin and believe in jJesus they would still be at the great white throne because they followed a works salvation instead of a faith one. No one will be saved by repenting of sin. We have to come to repentance toward God.

What does "repenting of sin" mean to you?

Repenting of sin isn't works, so it wouldn't be works salvation. Repenting means to change one's mind. In this discussion, to change one's mind about sin. This will result with change actions.

 

[DHK]

DHK, you and Judith can start a crusade, sweeping across Canada.....


We'll call it the "Great Fakening'.....

I don't take the same position as Judith. Only in some respects is it similar. But it is still different.

It is here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2129530&postcount=48

But I do note that no one took the time to refute it. It still stands unrefuted.

 

[Yeshua1]

I understand repentance (in this thread's context) to be something that is twofold: 1. Rejection of the practice of sin., and 2. Acceptance of Christ as the alternative.

The unsaved sinner cannot do either one though, as its the Holy Spirit who makes them realise they are sinners, who cannot save themselves by own works, and need to call upon name of jesus to get saved..

NO repenting over all sinning in there!

 

[Yeshua1]

2 Corinthians 7:9-10
yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

Yes, but that is NOT saying that a sinner repents of ALL sinning to get saved, we come to Christ just as we aare, and He cleanses us from all of that sinning!

 

[jbh28]

Yes, but that is NOT saying that a sinner repents of ALL sinning to get saved, we come to Christ just as we aare, and He cleanses us from all of that sinning!

What do you mean when you say "repents of all sinning"?

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes, but that is NOT saying that a sinner repents of ALL sinning to get saved, we come to Christ just as we aare, and He cleanses us from all of that sinning!

You do not know what repenting of sin is.

 

[DHK]

You do not know what repenting of sin is.

Apparently you don't either. This verse:

2 Corinthians 7:9-10
yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

It has nothing to do with salvation. Paul was speaking to the Corinthian believers, and it wasn't about salvation.

One does not repent of his sins in order to get saved. The sooner you learn that, the better off you will be.
BTW, how many sins does he have to repent of in order to be saved?
How many did you repent of? Did you remember them all?

 

[preacher4truth]

One does not repent of his sins in order to get saved. The sooner you learn that, the better off you will be.
BTW, how many sins does he have to repent of in order to be saved?
How many did you repent of? Did you remember them all?

How many sins? All of them. Named one by one with perfect remembrance? Well, that's your problem and that is your platform and it is gravely in error showing you're missing altogether what biblical repentance means and is.

So apparently it is you doesn't know what repentance is, and that it is God who lead us there, Romans 2:4; is a necessity for salvation; Acts 17:30, and is God's granted gift to us (true believers) Acts 11:18.

You've boasted earlier in this thread (or perhaps elsewhere) that no one has refuted your stance. That's nonsense, you've been refuted oft and many here tire of correcting you and allow you to stay in your well known error.

 

[Rolfe]

The unsaved sinner cannot do either one though, as its the Holy Spirit who makes them realise they are sinners, who cannot save themselves by own works, and need to call upon name of jesus to get saved..

No disagreement.

NO repenting over all sinning in there!

In where? Please explain. With Scripture.

 

[preacher4truth]

The unsaved sinner cannot do either one though, as its the Holy Spirit who makes them realise they are sinners, who cannot save themselves by own works, and need to call upon name of jesus to get saved..

NO repenting over all sinning in there!

Oh, so which sins have you not repented of? Name that categorically. Adultery? Lying? Covetousness? Other Gods? Murder? Drunkenness? Stealing? There are more so let's start there.

Since you've laid claim that repenting over all sin is unnecessary, do tell which ones you hold to. You can start with the above, or add to the list as well.

 

[DHK]

Oh, so which sins have you not repented of? Name that categorically. Adultery? Lying? Covetousness? Other Gods? Murder? Drunkenness? Stealing? There are more so let's start there.

Since you've laid claim that repenting over all sin is unnecessary, do tell which ones you hold to. You can start with the above, or add to the list as well.

Here is your testimony and the claims you have made:
1. You said you were saved at the age of 22.
2. You claimed to have an eidetic memory and were able to remember all your sins and had repented of all of them.
3. Assuming you are telling the truth, how many times in those 22 years did you tell a lie, and did you repent of each and every lie that you ever told?

 

[DHK]

How many sins? All of them. Named one by one with perfect remembrance? Well, that's your problem and that is your platform and it is gravely in error showing you're missing altogether what biblical repentance means and is.

Repentance of sins is works. To believe in such a doctrine is a doctrine of works salvation.

So apparently it is you doesn't know what repentance is, and that it is God who lead us there, Romans 2:4; is a necessity for salvation; Acts 17:30, and is God's granted gift to us (true believers) Acts 11:18.

You apparently have never taken the time to exegete any of those verses, just spew out the Calvinist line, regurgitate it without even thinking.
Rom.2:4 says nothing of a command to repent or a gift of repentance. It simply says that the "goodness of God leads one to repentance." Thus it is speaking of the goodness of God, which gives us many things doesn't it? This verse doesn't add anything to your argument.

Acts 11:18 is speaking of "a 2nd Pentecost" as it were, when the gospel went out to the Gentiles. Salvation was granted to the Gentiles in the sense that they were now having the opportunity to being saved. It was not unlike what happened in chapter 8 when the gospel went out the Samaritans. These were landmark events in the Book of Acts.

Acts 17:30 is a command and defeats your purpose.
God commands everyone to repent. He still does. He doesn't give repentance as a gift; he commands it. However you misunderstand what it is. I have explained what it is, given you a link that has never been refuted, where it is defined in detail.

You've boasted earlier in this thread (or perhaps elsewhere) that no one has refuted your stance. That's nonsense, you've been refuted oft and many here tire of correcting you and allow you to stay in your well known error.

The link I posted on a previous page is still there. If you want it again here it is:

It is here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...0&postcount=48

And no, it hasn't been refuted.

 

[Revmitchell]

So repentance of sin is works but repentance of unbelief is not?

Surely one can see the conflict here.


More importantly works is a reference to the OT law.

 

[DHK]

So repentance of sin is works but repentance of unbelief is not?

no.

metanoia Thayer Definition:
1) a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents,

Surely one can see the conflict here.

If you can define the word properly there is no contradicion.

More importantly works is a reference to the OT law.

This is not true. There are just a few references where "works" in the NT refer to OT law; the bulk of them do not. You are misinformed.

 

[jbh28]

Repentance of sins is works.

How so. Please define what you mean by "repentance of sins"

 

[Revmitchell]

Repentance is repentance. Whether is is strictly in the context of belief in god or of sin or both it is still repentance. Thinking that the context somehow changes the nature of it from a proper act to God to works is absurd.

 

[DHK]

How so. Please define what you mean by "repentance of sins"

Repentance of or from sins is a term for believers. When a believer sins he needs to repent of that particular sin or he loses his fellowship with God; thus the promise of 1John 1:9.
In 1Cor.5:1-5 committed incest and was put out of the church. Eventually he repented of that church and Paul urged the church to allow him back in, inspite of their feelings.
Sins for believers need to be repented of.
David had to repent of adultery and murder (Psalm 51)

In reference to unbelievers this demand is impossible. No unbeliever can even remember the sins they have committed much less confess them, and then repent of them (as a believer would) See Psalm 51.

Repentance is a change of mind with respect to one's attitude to God.
At one time his attitude was in rebellion. He repents. Now his mind is in submission to God. It is a change of mind in respect to God. That is what repentance is.

A list of sins, repenting of them, etc. is a works based salvation.