Featured Does the Prescient View Deny God's Omniscience?

Since God always has known all that ever can and will happen....

 

God sees all the possibilities in accordance to mankind. "If the works that had been in Tyre and Sidon had been done in Sodom and Gomorrah, they would have repented." Jesus said this...me paraphrasing here...

 

In a word :Yes. He had to create exactly as He did because everything He does is perfect. He doesn't have a list of options or potentialities.

I hope you remember that before launching your William Lane Craig spiels.

And you had quoted the Word of God in which it says that God's ways are our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. How easily you slide back into error.

Martin Luther told Erasmus that :"You're thoughts of God are too human." I think you are the Erasmus here.

Back to your same old ways. Have you ever pondered the oft-quoted line:Has it ever occurred to you that nothing ever occurred to God?

 

This is error. Man has free choice, it's simply that God's foreknowledge is infallible.

If a man chooses to believe on Christ in his lifetime, this is what God foreknows in his foreknowledge.

If a man chooses to reject Christ in his lifetime, this is what God foreknows in his foreknowledge.

What God foreknows is determined by the man's choice.

Things are not fixed. If Satan had realized he would defeat himself when he crucified Jesus, he would not have done so.

1 Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

That Jesus would defeat Satan by dying on the cross was prophesied throughout the scriptures, but Satan did not understand prophecy any better than we do. If he had understood it, he would not have crucified Jesus. That is exactly what 1 Cor 2:8 is telling us. Satan's actions were not fixed in stone, he had choice. But God in his foreknowledge KNEW what choice Satan would make.

 

Sinners cannot freely respond to God though!

And God foreknowledge is not the same as he fore sees all things that ever happened, as he is the cause of much of what happened, as well as He permitted that which appened to be part of His overall plans and purposes

 

God knows ALL things , never had to learn any new facts, but based upon him being all knowing and all wise/powerful, he chose exactly the Universe/earth that was the best Ones, due to his inability to make any mistakes, and always doing what is the highest/best!

 

Sure they can, Paul shows sinners who are servants to sin can obey the gospel and be saved.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

This scripture absolutely refutes your view. Sinners can freely respond to the gospel and obey it, even while they are servants of sin.

Much??? What kind of wiggle word is that? :laugh:

 

Foeknowledge of God linked together with Him predestinating the elect though, as it implies that God Himself is deterning those who can come to Christ!

 

God detetermines much of what has and will happen directly by causing that, and in the other situations, he permits that to happen, but always in accordance with his sovereign will!

 

If I read the above correctly the view you call "prescient" admits to the omniscience of God but denies His Sovereignty! That is, He elects based on man's choice not His!

 

God election is based directly upon we will respond to the gospel...

Charles Finney 101...

 

God elects some to Salvation in Jesus Christ according to His Sovereign will, not according to what man does. It is called Unconditional Election!

 

I agree with you, was answering the prior quote made, saying that holding to Gods foreknowledge of a sinner making the choice for jesus is what they base election upon!

 

Well, according to Romans 6:17-18 God allows sinners who are servants of sin to obey the gospel, and the moment they do, they are made free from sin and become servants of righteousness.

That must be his sovereign will, no?

 

You forgot to add in that they are able to do that once the Holy Spirit enabled them to do such!

 

Baloney, Paul said they were "servants of sin" when they obeyed the gospel from the heart. He did not teach that they had to be regenerated to believe, they were able to believe while they were yet sinners.

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

It was only AFTER believing the gospel that these sinners were set free from sin and became servants of righteousness. This scripture is perfectly clear and very easy to understand. You have no excuse.

Have you no fear of God? You are perverting the word of God. Not wise, not wise at all.

 

Again, it was AFTER salvation that they were able to no longer be slaves to sin, not before, aing them to Christ!nd their salvation was the Holy spirit bringing them to Christ and enabling them to believe unto him!

 

False. Paul said these Romans were servants to sin, nevertheless they were able to obey the gospel from the heart.

In fact, this is how the NKJV words this verse.

NKJV Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

You cannot change the word of God because it contradicts and refutes your false views. You need to abandon the false doctrines of Calvinism and believe the word of God.

Or do you prefer Calvinism over the scriptures?