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Except for a few details.

1. "This cup is the new covenant in my blood"

does the RCC teach that it "remains wine" and "is not turned into blood"???

We all know that they do teach that it becomes real blood but in some "odd" sort of way that can't be detected in actual science and observation.

2. They claim to be confecting the "body AND Divinity" of Christ in the mass. -- that goes wayyy beyond praise and thanksgiving.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Don't you think it would be helpful to list a few Bible doctrines where you did the comparison and found the RCC to be valid in your sola scrptura test - and the Baptist church to fail the test of sola scriptura that you claim to have conducted?

I say this because without fail every time the sola scriptura test idea comes up on Catholic boards such as "ChristianForums" the unanimous response among both RCC Catholics and EO Catholics is to condemn it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

"For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering. . . .". Malachi 1:11

 

1. The accidents of the bread and wine remain unchanged. The substance, however, becomes the body and blood of Christ. Bob, you need to take a refresher course in philosophy.

2. Yes it does go way beyond praise and thanksgiving and that is intentional.

 

Take a physics course and tell me when you get to the part about "Accidents" in the study of matter - even the RCC admits that an electron microscope is not going to see anything but the elements expected with bread and wine. But for the sake of the argument - the RCC is going to still insist that it is the real body and blood of Christ that has been "confected" with the bread or "affected" with the cup and the "powers" of the priest to "Confect the body and divinity of Christ" will be "retained" even if he is excommunicated from the RCC.

I notice that you do not dispute this point.

 

Of course to be fair - I have not given a sola scriptura argument against it , I simply state what is being claimed.

 

No. “Private interpretation” is that interpretation given to scripture by you and me. Like you quoted above, the Holy Spirit guided the apostles into all truth. When Jesus revealed this to them, He was speaking to eleven men behind closed doors. This was a private meeting, not a public sermon. The Holy Spirit guides the apostles, and likewise their successors. Remember, Jesus said, “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”

These apostles constituted the first church, which was absolutely and undeniably the Catholic Church. When we read scripture, we see that they neither sought nor listened to the opinions of those who were not apostles. They were very dictatorial—in a benevolent way of course. And they handed this authority down to others to speak for the church when they were gone. E.g., Timothy, Titus and Mark. So when the Magisterium speaks, it is speaking by authority of the apostles, who received their authority from Christ.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. The Catholic Church doesn’t teach that the Bible was written “according to the RCC.” However, every word of the N.T. was written by Catholics.

Of course it is. Does anyone really believe otherwise?

Yes, this is commonly called the deposit of faith.

And you know this how?

Jude did not say we are to contend for the faith contained in the scriptures. He said we are to contend for the faith which was once delivered to the saints. The faith was mostly delivered by the preaching of the apostles. Only nine men (ten if Hebrews wasn’t written by Paul) wrote the N.T. We have not a single written word from James son of Zebedee, Andrew, Phillip, Thomas, Bartholomew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, Judas, or Matthias. Are we to assume that because these men wrote no scripture they didn’t spread the gospel, that they were not inspired? Remember, Jesus said to go forth and preach the gospel. He gave no instructions about writing books.

Is scripture inspired? Of course it is. Is it useful? Certainly. Is it the sole source of teaching concerning faith and morals? No indeed.

 

The miracles of Christ are not subject to the laws or physics. Neither can they be fathomed by men.

 

Well you are missing a key detail.

When Lazarus was raised from the dead -- he did not remain in the tomb as a dead corpse with all family and friends told to "imagine" some spiritual "accident" way in which Lazarus was really alive - even though to all physical observation he is not raised from the dead at all. That is not the sort of "resurrection miracle" that Christ was doing.

I think we all know that.

Same goes for the resurrection of Christ and His bodily ascension into heaven.

The works and miracles of Christ were "real" -- the blind really see, the leper really healed an not this silly stuff about "well they remain blind but their accidents can see" ...

I think we all know that.

The RCC claim about 'confecting the body and divinity of Christ' that only results in the 'same ol bread and wine' -- is the sort of non-event miracle that might have passed during the dark ages - but has a lot more light of day to face in the modern age to be taken seriously.


in Christ,

Bob

 

So basically a miracle isn’t a miracle unless it is verifiable. Is that what you are saying?

 

The Early church was NOT the Church of Rome, as that took centuries to come to pass, and the real church of christ was built upon jesus and His Apostles, and the scriptures that were being used and circulated before then ever was a real catholic church though, and the scriptures are the ONLY inspired and inffalible source of all doctrines and practices!

 

What source do you get that from?

 

How about this source?

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Also adding to that, when Jesus told the Pharisees they made the word of God to be nullified by their taking the vain teachings of man, regarding whether a man can give what he has dedicated to the lord to assist his own parents out!