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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Jedi Knight, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Isaiah 40:22.

    Wrong again.
     
  2. Jedi Knight

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    He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Isaiah 40:22. Amen Brother Curtis I was thinking the same thing!
     
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    Well now that is interesting. If you take circle as earth, literally, then you have to take grasshoppers literally also. Can't mix a literal word and another as metaphor in the same sentence.

    Again, it is in the interpretation. I see no proof in this verse saying the earth is round. The circle around earth means space or heaven.The flat earth sits surrounded by heaven or space.

    Daniel shows the earth as flat:

    "Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth

    If a tree is at the center and the earth is a sphere, then it would be impossible for the king to see the king from the surface were he was.

    Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

    There can be no four corners in a round or spherical earth.

    Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the Daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. Another interpretation of this verse is that four corners of the earth don't refer to literal four corners but to cardinal directions, which is further supported by the description of the four winds which are commonly referenced by their cardinal direction.

    Again, this cannot be taken literally as what is states is literally impossible.

    There is no incompatibility between the Bible and proven scientific, geologic, or biologic facts. There is confusion by many who try to argue otherwise and they do the cause of Christ much harm.
     
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  4. Jedi Knight

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    He compares people but not the Earth being circular......nice try.
     
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    You can't mix literal speech with metaphorical speech? You must speak in very boring sentences, then, eh?

    You're making as much of an interpretational leap as we are if you say that circle means "space or heaven." If that is the case, then please point out another place in the scriptures where space or heaven are referred to by the term "circle of the earth."

    In the good old King James Version, the verse you refer to reads "Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great."

    First, you cannot equate a vision or dream with a natural, physical state, as these are completely different realms of definition. The great tree was seen in a vision/dream and it was seen in the "midst of the earth." Completely different meaning, unless we want obtuseness to win the day (which sadly happens often enough).

    You never heard of "figures of speech," have you?

    Again, it's a commonplace figure of speech.

    "For with God nothing shall be impossible." - Luke 1:37
     
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    Death has been in existence from the earliset moments of creation. That does NOT make the Gospel a lie.
     
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    But not all things are possible for man, such as seeing a tree in the middle of the earth, unless the earth is flat ... which it is not.


     
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    Kinda like talking to a brick wall, eh ?
     
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    Seeing his last reply...yeah. He seems determined to ignore that it's a vision and is instead stressing a literal interpretation.
     
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    Not at all, was point out the fallacy of an earlier reply.

    But all evidence shows that thiestic evolution is correct. Now I have no idea all the various aspects of how God created the universe, the world and all the life we see. He did it. That is the important thing. It does great harm to the message of Christ to try to convince people that what is obviously incorrect is the only way to believe. It only drives people away.

    People are not saved by what they believe about creation. People are saved through Christ.
     
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    Now he's saying sticking to scripture damages the work of Christ. Or his message. Or something.
     
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    It sure does.

    Romans 5:

    Death entered by one man. Who was that one man? Was death in existence before man came? Then that contradicts what the Bible says.
     
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    I don't believe in evolution, but is this referring to the physical death we all experience, or the spiritual death that occurred in the fall?
     
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    Death coming into the world does not speak to how God created the world.
     
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    It sure does. Man bringing death into the world through sin absolutely lines up with the Genesis account. It could not have happened that way with theistic evolution.
     
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    One and the same, in this case. Adam talked to God, God sought him out, so we can't separate the two.
     
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    No it lines up with your account and views
     
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    Then why did God ensure he couldn't eat of the tree of life after the fall? Would have not then have lived forever, but been spiritually dead?
     
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    Because God kicked them out of the garden which was a place that intimate fellowship.
     
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    So it wasn't for the reason God said?

    And again, I don't believe in Theistic evolution, I don't see how anyone can believe the two can coexist.
     
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