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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by savedbymercy, Jan 31, 2015.

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  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

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    1 Cor 1:29

    That no flesh should glory/boast in his presence.

    That word glory is also translated boast as in Eph 2:9 !137

    Now, we as men by nature hate Election because it gives us no reason to boast about our so called freewill; Thats right, we cannot boast that I chose to believe with my own freewill and so God saved me because of it, and you didn't so God has not saved you ! Thats boasting whether we say it like that or not, but if in the final analysis one can say i am saved as a result of my freewill to believe, and since you didn't use that same opportunity of freewill afforded you, you are still lost, thats boasting or a cause to boast.

    But the Pure Doctrine of Election takes that boast away, so the natural man hates that Doctrine !
     
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    well said sbm
     
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    So you also believe that if one is not calvinist they are not saved. Is that it?
     
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    Be honest. "The Pure Doctrine of Election" does not take away any boast. It replaces the boast of freewill with the boast of "I was chosen of God and you were not."
     
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    Bingo!:thumbs:
     
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    No one can say that another is not Chosen of God ! Wonder if that is said of someone to find out later God shall bring that person to the Faith of Gods Elect ! But on the other hand Election eliminates the boasting of freewill, that is why men hate it !
     
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    But may it never be that I should boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
    Galatians 6:14 NAS77
     
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    The op is a myth. No one who holds to free will boasts about themselves with regard to salvation.
     
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    That's why the Elect come to Faith in Christ ! Has nothing to do with the freewill of man !
     
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    It is also a logical fallacy. Those that disagree with Calvinism, do so, it is claimed because of pride, the I am better or smarter or more spiritual than you mindset. Thus an attack not on the views of non-Calvinists, but on their character.

    1) Do we reject Election? Nope, we reject Unconditional Election.
    2) Does the Bible teach Unconditional Election? Nope, it teaches we are chosen through faith in the truth.
    3) Did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and benefactors of the reign of God promised to those who love Him? Yes.
     
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    As RevMitchell said above, "No one who holds to free will boa(s)ts about themselves with regard to salvation."

    You are assuming a state of mind that you cannot know. You have to assume a mind of arrogant, boastful pride in the hearts and minds of all who do not hold to your particular doctrinal position.

    I can only speak of my own experience. I was consumed by an overwhelming sense of wretchedness and filth. At the time I did not know of freewill nor election. I recognized it was the convicting power of the Holy Spirit even though I did not fully realize the significance of it. I was compelled to the foot of the Cross. I did not know of Arminius nor Calvin but was convinced that it was Jesus Christ who drew me there and not my feet that carried me.

    Never once did I feel haughty, boastful pride thinking I had found God but rather that I had been found out by Him. Never once did I feel that God had to accept me on my terms because I was good or simply because I demanded He do so. Grace countered my conviction - not because of my comprehension of any doctrine - because of the goodness of an Almighty God, the obedience of an Almighty Jesus and the power of the Holy Ghost.

    Through the years, I have found most have an experience similar to mine. Not an experience of arrogance but one of humbling appreciation for the great Love of our Heavenly Father.
     
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    They have reason to boast ! They attribute salvation to what they did !
     
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    Uh not they don't. Provide one quote on this board of anyone who boasts that they saved themselves. Just one. When you fail you need to retract the op.
     
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    If you believe that Christ died for all without exception and yet all without exception are not saved by and through His death, then why ? What makes the difference if Christ death alone does not ?
     
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    No free-willer I know has ever said, I was saved because I did this or I did that. They all admit that they were saved because of the love and mercy God had for them by dying on the cross as atonement for their sins.
     
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    OK so you cannot provide one quote, is that what I am understanding?
     
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    Check out DHK's testimony which he offers from time to time.

    He states that he did everything , then God saved him.

    He read, he studied, he had "faith" [no one gave it to him} he believed, he accepted, He made a choice based on his will, yes he did it all, then God saved him.
     
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    Are you going to answer the question ?
     
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    Stop it your just embarrassing yourself
     
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    I thought the conversation was Unconditional Election not Limited Atonement.
     
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