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Why Does God Hate

The same could be said of why does God Love. The answer to both is because he chooses to do so. God is glorified in everything he does. God raised up Pharaoh for one purpose and that was to show His (God) power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth, Rom 9:17 After Pharaoh served his purpose God drowned him.

 

That's exactly what I said.

 

The scripture say's that God hateth all the workers of iniquity. The scripture say's Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated. Before the children were born and before either one had done good or evil God chose to love one (Jacob) and he also chose to hate the other ( Esau) and the reason he chose to do this was that the purpose of election might stand. But many will say that is not right of God to do this, they make God to be unrighteous. But who art thou O man to reply against God ? Shall a worm rise up from the dust to question his maker ? Again God said, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. When God said to love your enemies, where do you read anywhere in that scripture where God said he loved them ?

 

Steaver do you think God loved Pharaoh ? In the book of Jude there were certain men that had crept into the church. These men were ungodly men, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, denying the only Lord God. But notice one thing, the scripture say's of these men that they were before of old ordained to this condemnation, Jude 1:4. So if God ordained these men to accomplish his purpose, did he ever love them ?

 

Are we not all sinners? Is not sin considered the working of iniquity within our own lives? So if God hates ALL workers of iniquity, then arguably God hates all of humanity.

The truth is, following the precepts of Calvinism, we are presented a God who harbors hatred for the majority of His own creation, which He made in His own image, and which He breathed into and created a living soul. The God I see revealed in the person of Jesus Christ in the New Testament is not a God that seemingly indiscriminately hates the vast majority of the people He comes across.

 

You may not realize this, but you are teetering on open theism...

 

I believe there are degrees of sinners. The scripture say's if the righteous scarcely be saved where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear. I believe in these last day's iniquity shall abound. Evil men shall wax worse and worse. I believe to accomplish the last day scripture God is giving some of the un-elect over to reprobate minds and a searing of conscience. I did not say that God hates all sinners because the word sinner can have a double meaning. The saved are nothing more than sinners saved by grace, and as long as they are in the flesh they will have two natures, one prone to do evil and the other to do good. Paul said he was the chief of sinners. When God said he hateth the WORKERS of iniquity and he is angry with the wicked every day, these people have been given over to the lust of their own evil ways, they are reprobates, they run to do evil, they plot, they plan to do mischief. Some of these evil workers are plucked out of the fire like Paul but most are not.

 

I have already stated, because he chose to do so. It is not for me to question God as to why he does things. It is enough for me that I take him at his word.

 

While we can place degrees of sin on things, it is also true that anyone who keeps the whole law and offends only in one small part is guilty of all. Arguably, sin is sin in the eyes of God. Sure, there is a sin that is unpardonable, but otherwise God will forgive the murderer just as He will forgive the liar just as He will forgive the adulterer.

This worsening of society is scriptural. However, my question becomes this: Why does God have to turn any one of the un-Elect over to a reprobate mind, seeing as they are already separated from God and, in their status as non-Elect, are never going to be offered any opportunity to repent to begin with? They theoretically don't need to be turned over to a reprobate mind, as they are reprobate from birth, born damned and nothing they do in any way can change that.

Going back to my statement above, saying these people have been turned over to a reprobate mind might not be an accurate statement. Under the precepts of Calvinistic Election, these folks were ostensibly born in a reprobate state. They are never going to be given the "gift of repentance," they are never going to be regenerated, so what is God turning them over to? Seeing as they really can't get worse than they already are: given to damnation, disallowed even the opportunity to repent.

 

Great point!!

 

You have to put things in their proper context, proper order as to how God deals with all mankind, both elect and non-elect...

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."(1 Cor. 15:20-23)

God's work were known from the foundation of the world(Acts 15:18). He sees the sheep rejoicing in heaven and the goats in the lake of fire as an already fulfilled event. He knew each and every sheep lost, and sent Christ to redeem them from the rest, the goats. He sees them through Christ. Even when the sheep were gone astray, He still saw them through Christ, their Sinbearer.

God saw the end from the beginning, even before He spoke the world, stars, moons, planets, sun into existance, He saw the end, because He declared it to be so...


ETA:I think Isa. 41:4 carries some weight in my belief regarding this subject..

 

Those two ^^^, you agreed with me, and then you said this to Brother Tony....

LOL. I kid, I kid! :laugh:

 

A man can be a reprobate but he may be kept in check by the laws of the land so that his sins are not manifest to the world. In these last days the wicked don't care about laws, their sins are being manifest to the world. They are haters of authority, they openly sin with a high hand. No, people are not born reprobates. To become reprobate a person goes from sin to sin, they give themselves over to greater sin to the point of no conscience and God gives them over to the lust of their own hearts, Rom 1:24.

 

Lol...both sides have good arguments. I try not waffle...I just appreciate good arguments on both sides.

I still stand behind belief that God doesn't actually hate the non-elect but that he doesn't have the same love for them that he has for the elect. Like I said, just like He's the savior of the world and especially of the elect, God loves the world but He especially loves the elect.

Hope that doesn't seem like "waffling"......or baconing or any other breakfast food. LOL

 

Personally, I think Edwards' "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" is very good at showing how God deals with people...

 

Matt 5:44 says nothing about Who God Loves ! And it is a sin to love them that hate the Lord 2 Chron 19:2 !

 

God's hate of the workers of iniquity does come from the scriptures , the Psalms Ps 5:5 ! That is scripture and Paul says of OT scripture this 2 Tim 3:16 so your beef is with the inspiration of God !