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That's how it appears to me. Gal. 5:19-21 talks about how those who are agitators (creating strife) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I think we all are getting frustrated because we are having conversations about the Kingdom with someone (SBM) who apparently (looking at the fruit) may not be apart of the kingdom...someone who is exalting Calvinism over Christ-likeness.

 

I'm trying to think of a way to say this that even a third-grader could understand; but I can't think of any simpler way to put it than I already have.

Your author started with a premise that non-calvinists misunderstand Mark 16:16 because they misunderstand "to be" vice "to get." Then he identified the passage as a future passive indicative. Then he mentions "has been or will be saved," specifying that belief is necessary because of salvation--which is NOT what Mark 16:16 says.

Then your author moves on to his discussion of imperative vice indicative; and winds up with discussion of other verses where he focuses on the indicative tense--but never again refers to the future aspect.

The word "future" is used once in the article. The future tense is basically ignored in the rest of the article in favor of presenting the indicative, in order to justify the discussion's premise of "to be" vice "to get."

The fact if the matter is, as I pointed in my first post refuting this author, that in order to make the point of "to be" vice "to get," the author has to ignore context and the future tense. The preceeding verse is the imperative to preach the Word; verse 16 is the indicative, the statement of fact, of the result of that imperative. Word by word is the further realization that he who believes shall be saved (future event, statement of fact). As I posted in my first refutation, this is as simple as saying "he who sticks his hand in the lion's mouth, shall be bit."

I can present my case no clearer. If you still refuse to see the truth of what I've written, then you should--nay, you MUST, you are obligated!--to report my posting to the moderators.

 

You're right. I've posted my last on this.

 

I've said before....

At a minimum, he doubts his eternal security because Calvinism has filled him with introspection - looking at his works for proof that he's saved.

When he couldn't find enough evidence we there, he sought solace in the notion that God chose him from eternity. Now if he can only scream it loud enough, often enough, he'll convince himself it's actually true.

I've asked him - you tryna convince me. Or yourself?

And I only know it because I experienced firsthand what I see there

 

Well said. If one is truly chosen from eternity, there will always be evidence.

John 15:16a - You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide...

2 Peter 1:10 - Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities (virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and godliness with brotherly affection) you will never fall.

 

Still pushing your version of Hyper-warp-speed-ludicrous-Calvinism, eh?

 

Your statement is not supported by the Scripture you reference:

Romans 5:18, 19
18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

You cannot ignore Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Are you saying that Faith precedes Regeneration?

 

You appear to be saying that ALL mankind are born justified! That is nonsense and worse it is not according to Scripture!

 

"Duh"? Really?

Do you really consider yourself that intellectually superior to everyone else, that you think your disrespect is warranted?

 

He believes in eternal justification...

 

I thought your theology stated that people were born saved or born damned. But now you have people being Justified while not believing in God. Your theology confuses me.

So now, using your own interpretation of scripture, you are dictating what God MUST do. Now you say God MUST give them life.

 

You add zero, zilch, zip, to any discussion whatsoever....

 

We evade your points?? The only point you have is on the crown of your head...

 

No one has really evaded your points, SBM. We answer you. It's just not the answer you want us to give, so you accuse us of rabbit trails and evasion. More often than not, instead of engaging in actual debate and discussion, you come off sounding like a petulant child who only wants the discussion to go in one direction.

 

Evasion!! Rabbit trails!! Oh wait...