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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Mar 13, 2015.

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  1. Rebel

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    Al Mohler, what a surprise. A fundamentalist Calvinist who wants to turn the SBC into a 5-point Calvinist denomination. Calvin would have executed him, too, had Mohler lived in Calvin's time.
     
  2. Robert William

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    I agree that was very wrong, but remember, when we point we have three fingers pointing back, and Jesus said "he who is without sin cast the first stone"

    Man is fallible, that's why it's important to measure everything you read or hear against scripture.

    If there is something you have against what Calvin wrote, then please show us a little at a time with scriptural evidence and we can talk about it.
     
  3. steaver

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    Again, we are talking about a murderous attitude (heart). From what I read in the Scripture, the heart is CHANGED when one is born-again. No need to mention Moses or David, these men did not live in the time of regeneration.
     
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    Calvin was heavily influenced by Augustine, also a persecutor of Christians. Calvin's influence was passed down to the Puritans when the came to America and established their own state-religion in Massachusetts. The Pilgrims did not show much tolerance toward anyone, including the Baptists.
    Their hatred of the Quakers is well-known:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan
    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/484034/Puritanism
    Their beliefs were straight from Calvin.

    http://www.fbbc.com/messages/biographies/obadiah_holmes.htm
    Baptists being persecuted by Calvinists in America.
    The list is long, very long.
     
  5. Robert William

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    Holy Moly

    :eek: LOL, You said, "did not live in the time of regeneration!!!!! "Salvation has always been the same since the fall of Adam. All who were saved in the Old were Spirit filled. Nobody has ever been saved by works.

    ALL sins can be forgiven, I don't know how many people were killed by Calvin and I don't agree with any of it, keep in mind us humans are greatly influenced by our environment, especially when we are new Christians or Christians who are not mature.
     
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    Calvin never executed anyone. Try as you might, your revisionist history only resonates with sycophants like yourself.
     
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    John Calvin did not kill anyone. That is just one of many lies being regurgitated by the likes of DHK, Steaver, Rebel &Co.

    John Calvin was not a tyrant, dictator, or ruler of Geneva.

    John Calvin was of the Consistory which regulated eccelesiastical affairs. The most he and other pastors were able to do was excommunicate people. And even that was rejected by the majestrates many times.

    John Calvin can be compared to the regenerated Apostle Paul. But he cannot be compared with Paul's (Saul's) earlier life of persecuting Christians. He didn't persecue anyone. It cannot possibly be said that Calvin "began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison."

    John Calvin was not ever a member of any of the three governmental Councils for the City State of Geneva. He had no authority to arrest, torture, execute anyone.

    John Calvin, Farel and others were kicked out of Geneva in 1538. How can that fact be reconciled with his supposed dictatorial control of Geneva?

    A number of John Calvin's requests to the Small Council were rejected out of hand. How can that fact be reconciled with the fiction that he was the one in charge --running everything in Geneva.

    John Calvin was never a priest in the Roman Catholic Church. At a young age his father made him go through theological traing for the priesthood. Then, when his father had a squabble with the R.C.C. Calvin studied law.

    John Calvin was an evangelist for about three years before coming to Geneva ("for a night's stay").

    John Calvin was a wonderful preacher of God's Word. He labored at it constantly. He preached simply and clearly. He was pastoral. He was evangelical. He was prayerful.

    John Calvin was beset with numerous illnesses. A lesser man would have quit under the strain of it all. Calvin was a one-man factory. Along with his estimated ten sermons per two weeks, he lectured several times per week. His literary work was monumental for its sheer size, but its depth and continuing influence was greater.

    John Calvin was missionary-minded. He and other pastors of Geneva sent out hundreds of men to France alone. They even sent a team to Brazil.

    The above are facts. But they will be denied by those who wish to uphold falsehood to maintain their tradition.

    Lies are not to be embraced by professing Christians. I have in the last few years on the BB given quotes by dozens of Church scholars and Calvin experts. They come up with drivel from Cloud and company. Their sources compared with mine offer a stark contrast.
     
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    I am closing this thread. As I have said before, what happened during John Calvin's residency in Geneva has little to no relevance to the discussion of the theological position popularly known as Calvinism.
     
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