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Featured Calvinism's conumdrum, Is God the Author of sin?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Apr 7, 2015.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    His take on the human syae as sinners was correct, but it is regretable that he was not able to fully free himself from the trappings of Rome, as in his views on the "sacraments"
     
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    Like Yeshua1 has stated Cals don't hold a libertarian view of free will (that would contradict Calvinism) but the Bible teaches that our will is within God's will.

    Second, one should not take the 5 points of Calvinism to come to a conclusion. Such people might end up with a warped view of God's sovereignty in relation to man. As Dr. John Frame once said, the 5 points of Calvinism must be used only as an auxiliary to the Bible...not the other way around.
     
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    Agreed, as the big mistake is that some do not see that calvinism is a system that is trying to piece and put together what the entire Bible teaches on salvation, and that it is rooted in the belief that the fall destroyed us being able to 'come to Christ" of our own "free will
     
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    Here is one simple thing for you to think about.
    If the Westminster Confession of Faith says that the elect come to Christ
    "most freely, being made willing by His grace."
    We know that no one is made willing against his will, but must have been willing to be made willing. True? God continually appeals to man's will. Therefore, what Luther teaches "the will is in bondage" is not true, even according to WC.
     
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    Amen. The five points go hand in hand with the five solae...one of them being sola scriptura meaning Calvinism's main point is the Bible and all other points are to support it.
     
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    First this has nothing to do with what I posted in reply. You should address that first...unless you'll admit that there's nothing that could be said.

    ??? How did you get that? The WCF's "most freely, being made willing by His grace" doesn't contradict Luther at all. The will is always in bondage to desire. Unregenerated men's wills are in bondage to their sinful desires. Regenerated men's desires are changed by God's grace and so they most freely will to come to Christ...but only after the work of the Spirit changing their desires or (as Ezekiel puts it) hearts.
     
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    You must start at the fall of adam, and work from there as to how God saves us the way that he chose to do such, as many want to start with Adam state before the fall, and see us in that same state even unto now!
     
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    Yep...universality of man's condemnation is ground zero.
     
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    If you have a problem with the scripture, you are arguing with the wrong person.
     
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    This thread is closed.
     
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