Featured Regeneration w/o Living Water?

You seem to think there is only an eternal thirst? Is there a daily one also?... Brother Glen

 

Many! But pose this question first... Why do you come here?... Do you have a thirst?... Do you have a hunger?... For spiritual things?... Why?... Brother Glen

 

The living water is FREE!... I come everyday!... And I enjoy every drop!

I am crucified with Christ!... Never the less I live!
Present your bodies a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And he that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely... Brother Glen

 

It has been answered, and answered well...you just don't agree with it.


EVERYTHING with you is a 'hill worth dying on' issue. EVERYTHING is a 'test of fellowship' topic with you.

Let me tell you something...

Monday we laid our precious daddy to rest. He had been ready since June 30, 1997. We had two night of church...and I mean CHURCH over him. We had some wonderful singing, preaching and even some Sisters were blessed to shout...shoot, I helped them in the shouting department. There were three preachers that preached saturday night, two sunday night, and three for his funeral. I was the only one of them that was a five-pointer. Five were maybe two and two of those preachers were probably no-pointers, being a typical five-point Arminianist. I rejoiced at their preaching because they preached Jesus as the only way to heaven.

This topic isn't something I will debate with them, not because of fear, but of love. I know their beliefs. I don't want to push mine on them. If they would ask me, I'd gladly tell them what I believe.

Would you allow a five-point Calvinist to preach over one of your family members?

 

steaver,

I will try to break this down as simply as I can to show you that you have a faulty view of the ruin of man.

If man's faith is innate, inherent, comes from him, &c., then by stating it that way, man has justified himself. In Gal. 3 Paul wrote, 'And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.'(vs 8) Then we read where Paul wrote this, 'But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,(Gal. 5:22), and also....'For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth'(Eph. 5:9). Now, both sides state and aver that faith is necessary prior to the conversion, salvation of the soul of man. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit as I plainly showed you in those verses.

You are saying that a sinner has faith innate, already in there, passed down from Adam. Faith being a fruit of the Spirit, then how can a sinner exercise a fruit of the Spirit, when your side of the debate states that no sinner has saving faith? You are crossing yourselves in your doctrine and don't even realize it. If a man 'barhopping, shooting up drugs, raping women, robbing people, murdering people, &c.', you guys think this type of peoples have innate, inherent faith dwelling within them. How can they have faith, if it's a fruit of the Spirit. Is there more than one kind of faith?


Until you truly realize the complete, utter, and decayed ruin of mankind, you will always have a faulty doctrine...

 

This is on topic. The Living Water is the Spirit. Those that have the Living Water will have faith, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, & faith.


Dead people have no thirst. Go and give water to a corpse and see if they will drink it. They have no desire for it. It's the same with the unregenerate. They have zero desire for it. When God sets up that thirst, the quenching of the thirst comes immediately afterwards.

 

And yet, when Jesus spoke with the Samaritan woman at the well, he said:

That tenth verse makes it seem as though the woman could have asked Him, if she had known. It doesn't imply that she lacked the ability, merely the knowledge.

 

A short kibbitz: see John 6:44. Most all English translations say the same thing--almost verbatim. Irresistible call and eternal security all in one verse. We have no merit of ourselves. Praise the Lord.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

The unsaved do lack the ability to form correct views of God and His word, since the fall. That is why apart from the Spirit effectually calling them they will never come in and of themselves...that is the point.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I "could have " played major league baseball if I "could" have hit 790 baseballs over the fence in a ten year period. I could have jumped over the atlantic ocean to Italy if it were not for gravity.....see how it works PT.....

 

I'd like to drag up some Old Testament scripture, because I feel there is an applicable verse for us here:

Here we have Moses delivering a word from the Lord to the people of Israel. He plainly tells them that the commandment being delivered unto them is "not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Other translation use the phrase "out of reach." So apparently these Israelites could attain unto the commandment. They could fulfill it, seeing as it was not hidden, nor far off. And we're told what was set before them was "life and good" and "death and evil." The more I read and study on this scripture, the more I'm convinced Moses was telling them "keep the commandment and live, or break the commandment and die." Perhaps not immediately, but that would be the outcome, what with the wages of sin being death and all that.

Why would Moses tell these folks that the commandment was not hidden, out of reach, or far off, and that they had life and death laid before them, if they were incapable from the start of forming a correct view?

I do see how it works. I also see how you are using outlandish situations as though they stands as proof against my point of view.

 

The Mosaic Law was unlike the law written on the heart of the Elect (Jer. 31:33). It was possible for Jews living in covenant Israel to obey the law outwardly. This does not mean they believed in faith, as did Abraham (Gen. 15:6).

 

=PreachTony;
I do see how it works. I also see how you are using outlandish situations as though they stands as proof against my point of view.[/QUOTE]



My examples have more of a chance of taking place than your ideas about dead sinners bringing themself to life. Now that is outlandish.....

 

Your putting the cart before the horse, regeneration is to revive a lost spiritually dead sheep.