Pastor or President: Should a women hold either office?

[righteousdude2]

Now before you ladies jump all over me, let me explain why I asked this! Simply put, there was a Christian talk show on radio, and both the women and men all agreed that a woman should not hold either office.

One reason was that both required the woman to have and exercise authority over men. And they used OT and NT scripture to support their beliefs.

I understand about the pastor thingy, but not so sure I support their view on a woman POTUS.

Wondering if this issue will be discussed by evangelicals should Clinton actually get the DNC nod?

So what do you think?

 

[Darrell C]

Now before you ladies jump all over me, let me explain why I asked this! Simply put, there was a Christian talk show on radio, and both the women and men all agreed that a woman should not hold either office.

One reason was that both required the woman to have and exercise authority over men. And they used OT and NT scripture to support their beliefs.

I understand about the pastor thingy, but not so sure I support their view on a woman POTUS.

Wondering if this issue will be discussed by evangelicals should Clinton actually get the DNC nod?

So what do you think?

While we distinguish the Office as a secular role, I am still a little old fashioned when it comes to leadership at high levels. Many of us feel the New Testament establishes that men are to hold those roles, and some of us see that established throughout Scripture, with of course an exception or two. However, there was no exception in Levitical Service, which stands, in my view, as the highest order of leadership in the Old Testament. One might point to the Kingship as another possibility, but remember that was granted of God but not His will for Israel, it was their own desire.

I do not feel women are incapable of that role, and sometimes, as we see in many fellowships, women are the backbone of the fellowship, doing that which needs to be done.

But higher leadership has a pattern in Scripture which places men as the point where the buck stops. And while I hold no illusions as to our country being a "Christian Nation," there is no question that Christianity has impacted the Spirit of America for generations, and Christians have held notable roles.

So I am not one who endorses a female President, and have doubts that a godly woman would assume to pursue such a position.

God bless.

 

[go2church]

Not an issue for me to have a woman to serve either as pastor or president. Many capable women have done both.

Considering the evangelical backing for Sarah Palin, it doesn't, generally speaking, seem the evangelical whole doesn't have an issue with a woman president. From what I've heard, those that have an issue with say, Hillary Clinton, are bothered by her policies not her gender.

 

[Zaac]

Pastor, NOPE.
President? Doesn't matter as Scripture doesn't speak to it.

 

[Revmitchell]

Scripture requires the man the the leader of the home and the church. While scripture does not speak directly to the Presidential office the general presidence set in scripture is that men are to be the leaders.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Scripture requires the man the the leader of the home and the church. While scripture does not speak directly to the Presidential office the general presidence set in scripture is that men are to be the leaders.

Like so many men, Rev., you forget the second part of Paul's admonition and that is about the responsibility and submission of men. Is it you have not read all of Paul's writing or is it that you simply ignore adhering to Paul's command?

You must not pull a verse or two out of context and try to make a doctrine out of the part you like. You have to take the entire passage in context, even the part you do not like.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Like so many men, Rev., you forget the second part of Paul's admonition and that is about the responsibility and submission of men. Is it you have not read all of Paul's writing or is it that you simply ignore adhering to Paul's command?

You must not pull a verse or two out of context and try to make a doctrine out of the part you like. You have to take the entire passage in context, even the part you do not like.

He said the same thing Zaac did. Nothing left out. Your admonition about submission is completely off topic. Maybe you could start a thread on biblical sibmission.

Quick question for you. Are these words by Paul what you consider inspired scripture? Since your reply is off topic I think this is a fair question.

 

[Van]

Just as some men think they should rule over any women, some women like to rule over men, picture the hen-pecked husband. So if we set aside the fact that some men and some women have no business being POTUS, what other objection should we raise. Does the Constitution say or suggest only men may serve in Federal offices? Nope.

So why not give unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

 

[Jerome]

Albert Mohler takes Margaret Thatcher to task for violating the general presidence set in scripture that men are to be the leaders:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/04...et-thatcher-and-the-leadership-of-conviction/

we should pause to reflect on Margaret Thatcher’s legacy of leadership and the lessons that simply must not be missed. Standing at the center of her leadership and her legacy is the belief that the integrity of leadership is inevitably tied to the character of the leader and to the power of the leader’s ideas. This is how she lived, and this is how she led -–and this is why we all stand in her debt.

 

[Jerome]

Hebrews 13:7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

"This text, whatever may be its other value, is mainly of importance, because it indicates three tests of a genuine, God-sent leader. In the first place he speaks the word of God, in the second place his faith is fixed on a personal Saviour; and, in the thrid place, his life conforms to the Word of God and to the faith in Christ, and ends in a glorious immortality. Wherever we find those three indications meeting in any man or woman, we may recognize the heaven-sent leader, and it is at our peril if we do not follow such leadership." —A.T. Pierson preaching at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, 1892.

 

[Jerome]

John Yates (serves alongside Albert Mohler and Mark Dever on The Gospel Coalition council), "St. Paul and Women":

Many churches have found that having an ordained woman as one of their pastors has strengthened the whole pastoral team greatly. To some, it would feel uncomfortable to have a woman preach or stand at the Holy Table. To others, it would be rather comforting. Listen, a person's gender is not as important as their wisdom and their maturity and their gifts when it comes to ministry.

 

[Salty]

... "St. Paul and Women":

 a person's gender is not as 
important as their wisdom and their 
maturity and their gifts when it comes 
to ministry

But what does God say?

 

[Zaac]

Scripture requires the man the the leader of the home and the church. While scripture does not speak directly to the Presidential office the general presidence set in scripture is that men are to be the leaders.

As you stated, of the home and the church. Scripture never spoke to who should be running corrupt world systems because it doesn't matter from an ORDER perspective.

 

[Zaac]

Just as some men think they should rule over any women, some women like to rule over men, picture the hen-pecked husband. So if we set aside the fact that some men and some women have no business being POTUS, what other objection should we raise. Does the Constitution say or suggest only men may serve in Federal offices? Nope.

So why not give unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Pretty much. These offices are part of the corrupt world governing system. They shouldn't be expected to conform to the way of Christ.

Now as far as inside the church, I think Scripture points 100% that women are NOT to be pastors.

I've told people for years that confusion is a sign that man orchestrated something, and God did not.

God did not place man over man's house for a man to have to turn around and go to God's house and submit to that man's wife.

That's

God is a God of ORDER. He does not breed confusion.

 

[Zaac]

Albert Mohler takes Margaret Thatcher to task for violating the general presidence set in scripture that men are to be the leaders:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2013/04...et-thatcher-and-the-leadership-of-conviction/

Foolishness on Albert Mohler's behalf. No world government office of Prime Minister or President has anything to do with the order of a HOLY God.

Scripture sets the precedence of the man being the leader in his home and the CHURCH. It does not do so for that which is outside the church.

Scripture isn't gonna tell us to NOT pass judgment on those outside the church and then turn around and say "tell them they are outside of God's order".

They and their system are outside the church. They are supposed to be out of order. :laugh:

 

[rsr]

Albert Mohler takes Margaret Thatcher to task for violating the general presidence set in scripture that men are to be the leaders:

I read the article and didn't see Mohler "taking her to task."

 

[annsni]

I agree that women are not to be pastors.

However, I feel that women are welcome to be civil leaders.

 

[annsni]

But what does God say?

The absolute heart of the matter.

 

[annsni]

Foolishness on Albert Mohler's behalf. No world government office of Prime Minister or President has anything to do with the order of a HOLY God.

Scripture sets the precedence of the man being the leader in his home and the CHURCH. It does not do so for that which is outside the church.

Scripture isn't gonna tell us to NOT pass judgment on those outside the church and then turn around and say "tell them they are outside of God's order".

They and their system are outside the church. They are supposed to be out of order. :laugh:

I guess you didn't read the link.

At the very least, on the twenty-sixth anniversary of her rise to serve as Britain’s Prime Minister, we should pause to reflect on Margaret Thatcher’s legacy of leadership and the lessons that simply must not be missed. Standing at the center of her leadership and her legacy is the belief that the integrity of leadership is inevitably tied to the character of the leader and to the power of the leader’s ideas. This is how she lived, and this is how she led -–and this is why we all stand in her debt.

 

[Jerome]

I agree that women are not to be pastors.

However, I feel that women are welcome to be civil leaders.

But isn't the principle a creation mandate (I Tim. 2)?