The Context of the Parenthesis Church

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by revmwc View Post
Something else which shows satan is currently in control of the earth, something that just popped into my head.
Matthew 4:8-9,
8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."
Luke 4:5-6,
5 "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Satan could have delivered on that promise since he is the prince and power of the air. Whoever he wants to give those kingdoms to he will give it. He gives them to the Beast in Revelations.

God pours His wrath out on the earth and the unholy trinity as well as the inhabitants of the earth to redeem the lost possession, the possession lost by Adam.

Yeah using the father of lies as a source doesn't really help your case.

But that is not all he has used.


God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

I didn't see where OR used the father of lies to make his point. I would never accuse anyone of doing that. I would post scripture and explain it. My problem is I try to get too deep and my point gets lost to some anyway.

But you did! You correctly state you get too deep, but it is not in Scripture.

 

[revmwc]

But you did! You correctly state you get too deep, but it is not in Scripture.

You mean showing where He promised the Kingdoms of the world to Christ.

So do you think he could have delivered?

 

[OldRegular]

You mean showing where He promised the Kingdoms of the world to Christ.

So do you think he could have delivered?

Given your wanderings through the Book of Revelation in an attempt to prove the Great Tribulation would redeem/renew the earth it seems you think Satan could have delivered. Given your insistence that GOD does not reign, contrary to Scripture, it appears you think Satan could have delivered!

 

[blessedwife318]

You mean showing where He promised the Kingdoms of the world to Christ.

So do you think he could have delivered?

No of course not. Satan never delivers on his promises.

 

[Darrell C]

No of course not. Satan never delivers on his promises.

But God does:


Hebrews 1:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?


Revelation 12:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Which of these are fulfilled?


God bless.

 

[revmwc]

Given your wanderings through the Book of Revelation in an attempt to prove the Great Tribulation would redeem/renew the earth it seems you think Satan could have delivered. Given your insistence that GOD does not reign, contrary to Scripture, it appears you think Satan could have delivered!

But do you feel satan could have delivered on the promise?

 

[blessedwife318]

But do you feel satan could have delivered on the promise?

No Satan could not deliver on his promise.

 

[OldRegular]

No Satan could not deliver on his promise.

Many thanks blessed wife of a truly blessed husband!

 

[Darrell C]

Many thanks blessed wife of a truly blessed husband!

Perhaps you will answer that which she will not?



Hebrews 1:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?


Revelation 12:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.



Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Which of these are fulfilled?


God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

Perhaps you will answer that which she will not?



Hebrews 1:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hebrews 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Revelation 12:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

2000 years ago!

Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Which of these are fulfilled?

I have presented my understanding of the above passage on 2-3 times in the last few days on other threads. Look for it if you are interested!

 

[OldRegular]

{http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/dispensationalist-beliefs-salvation-by-william-e-cox/}

Lewis Sperry Chafer, another prominent leader among the dispensationalists, also – in his insistence on a complete isolation of the New Testament dispensation from that of the Old Testament actually teaches two different plans of salvation. Writing in Dispensationalism (p.416), he makes the following statement:

The essential elements of a grace administration – faith as the sole basis of acceptance with God, unmerited acceptance through a perfect standing in Christ, the present possession of eternal life, an absolute security from all condemnation, and the enabling power of the indwelling Spirit are not found in the kingdom administration. On the other hand, it is declared to be the fulfilling of ‘the law and the prophets’ (Matt 5:17,18; 7:12), and is seen to be an extension of the Mosaic Law into realms of meritorious obligation (italics mine).​

When this paragraph by Chafer is broken down into its component parts, the following points can be distinguished clearly:

1. he gives the characteristics, including ‘faith as the sole basis of acceptance with God,’ of the present ‘dispensation';
2. he says the alleged coming ‘dispensation’ (millennium) w ill operate under a different plan, since none of the above mentioned characteristics (note that this would include the mode of salvation) ‘are to be found in the kingdom administration';
3, he says that the alleged coming millennial kingdom will be a continuation of the Old Testament plan, i.e., ‘it is declared to be the fulfilling of the law and the prophets.’​

From these three points a syllogism can be formed easily. The syllogism would be as follows:

1. In the present dispensation, we have ‘faith as the sole basis of acceptance with God…’

2. In the coming kingdom administration, this plan will not be in effect. They ‘are not found in the kingdom administration.’ Since, according to the dispensationalists, people will be saved during the millennium, they must of necessity be saved in some other manner than ‘faith as the sole basis of acceptance with God.’

3. Therefore, inasmuch as the coming dispensation will be an extension of the Mosaic Law into realms of meritorious obligation,’ the people under the Mosaic Law also were saved in a manner different from the present dispensation.​

Chafer’s argument could also be illustrated in a diagram as follows:

Old Testament – Salvation by legal obedience – In effect until the Cross
‘Church Age’ – Salvation by grace alone – Legal obedience postponed
‘Kingdom Age’ – Legal obedience resumed – On a more perfect basis​

 

[Darrell C]

Hebrews 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?




2000 years ago!





I have presented my understanding of the above passage on 2-3 times in the last few days on other threads. Look for it if you are interested!

A simple question:


Hebrews 1:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Which of these are fulfilled?



You have answered one of them (2000 years ago! (any ink left on that ! key?)), but you still have two to go.

Come on, OR, I'm rooting for you. You can answer the question.

I have presented my understanding of the above passage on 2-3 times in the last few days on other threads. Look for it if you are interested!

And you have dodged the question 2 or 3 times.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

{http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/dispensationalist-beliefs-salvation-by-william-e-cox/}

Spam.

Not fried.

No side dish.

And not edible.


God bless.

 

[revmwc]

Hebrews 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?




2000 years ago!

Now since you acknowledge it has been nearly 2000 years, answer the question, then you have this to answer, since " the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" if as Revelation 20 states the kingdom is a 1000 year kingdom has this resurrection taken place?

Explain the 1000 years which is definitely shown in Revelation 20? Because if as you say "The Wall was broken by Jesus Christ through HIS sacrificial death on the Roman Cross. But sadly there are those who would rebuild that wall from the rubble of "splintered" Scripture; that wall whose destruction was accomplished on the Cross."

An answer to what it is and when it occurs Please. This year 2015 would place us approximately 1985 years since Christ death on the Cross. Revelation 20 states the kingdom is a 1000 year[/COLOR] kingdom, Explain the 1000 years which is definitely shown in Revelation 20? When it began and when the rest of the dead will rise? So answer this please!

 

[OldRegular]

Now since you acknowledge it has been nearly 2000 years, answer the question, then you have this to answer, since " the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" if as Revelation 20 states the kingdom is a 1000 year kingdom has this resurrection taken place?

Explain the 1000 years which is definitely shown in Revelation 20? Because if as you say "The Wall was broken by Jesus Christ through HIS sacrificial death on the Roman Cross. But sadly there are those who would rebuild that wall from the rubble of "splintered" Scripture; that wall whose destruction was accomplished on the Cross."

An answer to what it is and when it occurs Please. This year 2015 would place us approximately 1985 years since Christ death on the Cross. Revelation 20 states the kingdom is a 1000 year[/COLOR] kingdom, Explain the 1000 years which is definitely shown in Revelation 20? When it began and when the rest of the dead will rise? So answer this please!

Given the context of this thread the above is nonsensical!

 

[revmwc]

Given the context of this thread the above is nonsensical!

You said Christ came 2000 years ago, so explain how we are still in a Kingdom that started 2000 years ago which Revealtion 20 says was a 1000 year reign, not nonsensical about it!

 

[Darrell C]

A little spam of my own:

Hebrews 1:5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?




2000 years ago!





I have presented my understanding of the above passage on 2-3 times in the last few days on other threads. Look for it if you are interested!

A simple question:


Hebrews 1:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?



Revelation 11:15

King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Which of these are fulfilled?



You have answered one of them (2000 years ago! (any ink left on that ! key?)), but you still have two to go.

Come on, OR, I'm rooting for you. You can answer the question.

I have presented my understanding of the above passage on 2-3 times in the last few days on other threads. Look for it if you are interested!

And you have dodged the question 2 or 3 times.

Four times now?

Waiting.


God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

You said Christ came 2000 years ago, so explain how we are still in a Kingdom that started 2000 years ago which Revealtion 20 says was a 1000 year reign, not nonsensical about it!

Two reasons:

1. You refuse to believe Scripture that does not support your pre-trib-false doctrine.

2. You make the mistake of believing ALL Scripture must be interpreted literally.

 

[DHK]

Two reasons:

1. You refuse to believe Scripture that does not support your pre-trib-false doctrine.

2. You make the mistake of believing ALL Scripture must be interpreted literally.

How do you determine? every word beginning with a consonant?
Or, is every third verse allegorical?
What is your method?
Was the cross allegorical? How about the spikes or nails that were driven through his hands, or the spear that pierced his side? Just a vision, right? It had a deeper meaning perhaps that John really missed.
Where does it all stop?