Darby = Dispensationalism

[OldRegular]

An anology can't be a false doctrine because it is not a Doctrine. The pre-trib doctrine is backed up by scripture we have shown them, you disagree with scripture. Adding the "parenthesis church" into the term doctrine is a misnomer because it is not a doctrine it is an analogy, time you learned that.

Your analogy is dispensational doctrine and that is the truth whether you agree or not. Wallboard is quote clear on that. He further writes [Major Bible Prophecies, page 282]:

“If the question be asked: Will the church be raptured before end-time events? it becomes very important to define the church as an entity that is distinct from Israel or saints in general. In prophetic passages concerning the Tribulation, both Israelites and Gentiles are described, and some of them have faith in Christ and form a godly remnant. If they are part of the church, then the church is in the Tribulation, and the whole question as to whether the church goes through the Tribulation becomes moot. Many posttribulationists, in an attempt to establish their own point of view, beg the question at the very beginning by assuming that the church includes saints of all ages. The concept that the church is distinct from Israel is a part of dispensational truth that distinguishes the work of God in the Old Testament under the Mosaic Law, the work of God in the present age as he calls out both Jews and Gentiles to form the church as the body of Christ, and the millennial kingdom in which the saints of all ages participate in various ways but maintain their individual and corporate identity. Hence, the church will be raptured or resurrected, and will reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom, but the saved of Israel as well as the saved of the Gentiles who are not part of the church will also be part of the millennial kingdom. Distinguishing the church from saints of other periods that precede or follow the present age is essential to a correct answer on the pretribulational issue. It is not too much to say that the doctrine of the church, or ecclesiology, determines this aspect of eschatology.”

 

[DHK]

You are bearing false witness. I have repeatedly attributed the pre-trib-snatching away" of the Church to Darby but I have also stated repeatedly that the "parenthesis" Church as an interruption in GOD's program for national/ethnic Israel was espoused by Chafer, Ryrie, and Ironside! Actually Chafer called it an intercalation!

{http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99519}

{http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=80260}

You also attribute it to me, and that is bearing false witness.

 

[revmwc]

You also attribute it to me, and that is bearing false witness.

He has been shown he actually did attribute it to Darby in a few threads.

 

[OldRegular]

You also attribute it to me, and that is bearing false witness.

Attributed what to you?

 

[OldRegular]

He has been shown he actually did attribute it to Darby in a few threads.

Jerome should have provided the source so the entire post could have been read. It is a fact that the concept of the "parenthesis" Church is the natural outgrowth of Darby'd pre-trob-"snatching away" of the Church. Wallboard implies that it is an essential part of dispensational doctrine. So whine on all you choose. If I had ever believed in a "parenthesis" I would hit the floor on my knees asking for mercy!

 

[revmwc]

Jerome should have provided the source so the entire post could have beeb read. It is a fact that the concept of the "parenthesis" Church is the natural outgrowth of Darby'd pre-trob-"snatching away" of the Church. Wallboard implies that it is an essential part of dispensational doctrine. So whine on all you choose. If I had ever believed in a "parenthesis" I would hit the floor on my knees asking for mercy!

Until you through the term out I had not heard of it. The pre-trib doctrine doesn't depend upon it scripture shows it in 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 and others show the pre-trib rapture.

 

[Jerome]

Jerome should have provided the source so the entire post could have beeb read.

Huh?

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[DHK]

Attributed what to you?

Just the mere fact that I believe in the "parenthesis church" when I don't.

 

[OldRegular]

Just the mere fact that I believe in the "parenthesis church" when I don't.

Well you have said I believe in Calvinism and I don't. There!

 

[OldRegular]

Until you through the term out I had not heard of it. The pre-trib doctrine doesn't depend upon it scripture shows it in 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 and others show the pre-trib rapture.

I never said the pre-trib-rapture was dependent on the "parenthesis" Church. I said the "parenthesis" Church is the natural outcome/consequence of the false doctrine of the pre-trib-rapture.

1 Thessalonians 1:9, 10
9. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10. And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

That Scripture proves a pre-trib-rapture like Isaiah 32 showed Darby the Jewish dispensation following the Church age. Utter nonsense.

Jesus Christ did deliver the believer from the wrath to come, the lake of fire.

 

[revmwc]

I never said the pre-trib-rapture was dependent on the "parenthesis" Church. I said the "parenthesis" Church is the natural outcome/consequence of the false doctrine of the pre-trib-rapture.

1 Thessalonians 1:9, 10
9. For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
10. And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

That Scripture proves a pre-trib-rapture like Isaiah 32 showed Darby the Jewish dispensation following the Church age. Utter nonsense.

Jesus Christ did deliver the believer from the wrath to come, the lake of fire.

No the wrath of Revelation 6:17. All the way to Revelation 19.

 

[OldRegular]

No the wrath of Revelation 6:17. All the way to Revelation 19.

That is what you call eisegesis!

 

[revmwc]

That is what you call eisegesis!

According to you, your interpretation hasn't been posted to see if you use Eisegesis or Exegesis. So folks have your word or my exegesis to go by.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

For the megas hemera autos orge' has come. That is the great time (last day of this present age) His anger is exhibited that is (punish of a magestrate) is erechomi that is it comes. Who does it come upon? The people upon the earth. But He halts it for a moment in Revelation to seal the 144,000 Jews.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Hoti you tereo the logos of my hypmone I kago tereo se ek the hora of periasmos ho shall mello erchomi epi holos the oikoumene to periazo them that katoikeo epi ge

Because you guard the word of my steadfastness i also keep thee from the hour of trouble which be about to come upon all the inhabited earth to try them that dwell upon the earth as standing in place.

Sounds very much like the Tribulation is coming and those who are saved of the church will not be required to go through it.

That is exegesis your turn to exegete Revelation 3:10. I gave you the Greek with the grammatical portion we have to add for clarity.

 

[Darrell C]

That is what you call eisegesis!

Actually it's what we call "I see Jesus!"


Revelation 19:11-16

King James Version (KJV)

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.


Because we do not eisegete the Scripture.

Everything is left intact.


God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

According to you, your interpretation hasn't been posted to see if you use Eisegesis or Exegesis. So folks have your word or my exegesis to go by.

The following is not exegesis, it is opinion, bias, brainwashing, whatever!

Originally Posted by revmwc
No the wrath of Revelation 6:17. All the way to Revelation 19.

 

[HankD]

Apart from the name calling this has been a really good thread because (to OR's credit) folks have been made to think through their position(s).

Although I think brother OR has inadvertently led to a greater understanding and strengthening of many "dispies" view.

I really do appreciate his zeal (Maybe even admire it, but don't tell him I said that).

HankD

 

[OldRegular]

Apart from the name calling this has been a really good thread because (to OR's credit) folks have been made to think through their position(s).

Although I think brother OR has inadvertently led to a greater understanding and strengthening of many "dispies" view.

I really do appreciate his zeal (Maybe even admire it, but don't tell him I said that).

HankD

Thanks for the kind words brother Hank but I fear I have failed in my mission in life!-:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Darrell C]

Apart from the name calling this has been a really good thread because (to OR's credit) folks have been made to think through their position(s).

Although I think brother OR has inadvertently led to a greater understanding and strengthening of many "dispies" view.

I really do appreciate his zeal (Maybe even admire it, but don't tell him I said that).

HankD

So you think that Darby is the one that created the concept of dispensations in Theological circles?


God bless.

 

[Revmitchell]

Apart from the name calling this has been a really good thread because (to OR's credit) folks have been made to think through their position(s).

Although I think brother OR has inadvertently led to a greater understanding and strengthening of many "dispies" view.

I really do appreciate his zeal (Maybe even admire it, but don't tell him I said that).

HankD

Just wow! I cannot understand what kind of standard would lead one to believe that. Certainly not one that would fly in academic circles.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks for the kind words brother Hank but I fear I have failed in my mission in life!-:smilewinkgrin:

You're not dead yet.