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Can't you just give an answer to the question instead of giving a long verbose quote from some theologian who basically gives some comparisons but doesn't answer the question I asked.
Just answer the question.

 

Going on a copy and pasting rampage gets you no closer to the answer of this simple question:

 

I am asking for your explanation of Daniel 9:27.
You are posting page after page commentary on Daniel 9:24-27?
How is it not relevant?
It is my question to your understanding to the verse.

 

I am pretty well studied on my eschatology. Being in the amill group, I asked those questions because it puzzles me that the 70 weeks is not really 70 weeks, the hour is coming(you correctly guess the John 5 usage) as being a short time period, but then the 1,000 years in Revelation is literal.


Something's not entirely clicking there.

 

The question is obviously germane as this passage has been discussed since page two of this thread. I am simply asking for an honest exegesis of verse 27, one you will not give.

I have shown you how all six of those do not apply:
1. Daniel was speaking only to the Jews. Look at the context. "70 weeks is determined upon YOUR people." That is not the Gentiles he is speaking about.
2. They take place in the 70th week.
3. The 70th week is still future.
4. It is evident that none of these things have happened yet. I have gone through all of these points with you.

However:

Of course not. The only note about the death of Christ in this entire passage is that it will happen after 69 weeks. Nothing more is said about it. No other phrase in this passage refers to the death of Christ.

Yes. That is how it was with Abraham, and that is how it is with all who believe in Christ.
(Rom.4:1-5; 5:1)

The righteousness that Christ gives an individual is forever.
The righteousness that is mentioned in this passage has nothing to do with individuals. It speaks of a world with righteousness:
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
That is, HE will bring in everlasting righteousness to His Kingdom on earth.
That is vastly different than giving a person the righteousness of Christ.
There is no everlasting righteousness in this world today. Today this world is held captive by the god of this world, Satan. Christ does not rule this world; Satan does.

I have fully answered them now, even though I had mostly answered them before.

Unless you can answer my question, my accusation stands. Your interpretation of verse 27 leaves Christ hanging as liar and truce-breaker unless you can explain to me how "he" can make a covenant for 7 years and then break the same covenant in the middle of it.
This is how I see your interpretation. You haven't explained it any better than that. Unless you do, that is what I must conclude about your beliefs.
Please answer my question.

Obviously, that is why I believe "he" refers to the Antichrist, for the Antichrist would make a covenant for seven years, and would have no problem lying about it and breaking it half way through.

 

Post numbers 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 where you refuse to answer a question, 131, 132, 134, 136, 143. All have opposing views to yours and you never breakdown your assertion that they are wrong by breaking down scripture, you always post what other commentaries say, I also posted the most recognized of Hebrew O.T. scholars Keil and Delitzsch and you reject their breakdown of the passage in Daniel, Delitzsch was from Jewish ancestry and would have the best grasp of what Daniel was teaching and he says all this has not been fulfilled and that the ungodly prince seen in verse 27 is the anti-christ not Christ and that the 70th week is yet to be fulfilled yet you just refuse to accept it because your go to commentaries say something different.

 

Interlinear:

28. No be marveling this that is coming hour in which all the ones in the memorial vaults shall be hearing of the sound of Him

29. and they shall be out going the ones the good doing into up standing of life the ones yet the foul practising into up standing of judging.

Now we see that the hour was coming when those in the grave would hear Jesus.
When did this happen, at His death all in the grave heard him, both the righteous and the unrighteous. We see it in 1 Peter 3:18-20,

18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."


Christ voice was heard through Hell when He preached to those in prison how can we know this?

Luke 16:22-27;
22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:"

When Jesus preached all heard, those in Paradise heard of His victory, the angels which kept not their first estate heard Him from the bottomless pit and those in torments heard Him. That would cover everyone in the Grave and fulfill John 5:28.

Then we see Paul too, Ephesians 4:9&10,
9 "(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"

Paul says he descended and Peter says He preached to those in Prison when?

Luke 23:42-44,

42 "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour."

At His death all this occurred and beautifully fulfilled John 5:28. Now the thief said "remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom," We know that the thief was speaking of the Messianic Kingdom, Christ promised to take Him to Paradise, is that the Messianic Kingdom? If so it is not on Earth, but scripture is very clear there will be a Messianic Kingdom upon the earth. So He promised the malefactor an eternal home.

We also see a fulfillment of verse 29 in scripture, 2nd Corinthians 5:8,
8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

The righteous of Paradise were taken to heaven at some point because now all believers go to Heaven. Christ is seated on the Right hand of the Father, so "the ones the good doing into up standing of life" were removed from Paradise to Heaven a change occurred, "the foul practising into up standing of judging" are in torments awaiting judgement and those who were in graves at the time Jesus spoke the words in John 5 heard His voice and the just went from Paradise into Heaven the unjust were kept in torments until the Great White Throne occurs. Yet the promised Messianic Kingdom is yet to Come!

Paul said His Kingdom was yet to come, 2 Timothy 4:1 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; "

He also delineated that there was a Kingdom already, 2 Timothy 4:17-18,
17 "Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

Paul would enter the Heavenly Kingdom just as all believers will.

2 Thessalonians 1:4-6,
4 "So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;"

We are worthy to go to Heaven by Jesus Blood and Righteousness, yet Paul says we will be worthy for the Kingdom of God, that is a yet future Kingdom and we see too that the Tribulation is coming for Paul says, "God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you" the Tribulation is coming for the unbeliever it is seen in Revelation 6-19.


1 Corinthians 15:23-26,
23 "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."

We see that those at His coming that is the rapture we see the order of the Resurrection of the just here, Christ the firstfruits followed by those at His coming, then once the Kingdom on earth is completed He will deliver it to the Father and destroy death. We see then from 1 Corinthians they that are Christ at His coming will be snatched away, 2 Thessalonians that the Church will not go through the tribulation which is coming upon all that persecute the Church, then we see the Kingdom coming and then Christ will deliver the Earthly Kingdom to the Father in Heaven. If the Kingdom is occurring today then it is in Heaven and there would be no need for Christ to deliver it to the Father because it would already be in Heaven with the Father.

 

Yes they have and I showed you the post and you haven't answered where Jesus made a covenant with many for 7 years and broke it at the 3 1/2 year point which DHK has repeatedly ask you to answer.

 

Old Regular

you have answered well and posted correctly evidently some people believe Satan rules over them and not the Lord Jesus Christ.
any person that denies the Lord Jesus Christ rules obviously is not going to be able to understand the scripture at all

 

Define what Jesus rules first.

Christ rules in the lives of all who have received Christ.

But satan is allowed to hinder believers, 1 Thessalonians 2:17-19,
17 "But we, brethren, being taken from you for a short time in presence, not in heart, endeavoured the more abundantly to see your face with great desire.
18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?"


Satan hindered Paul and his party. But the Lord Jesus is coming satan cannot prevent that and He is coming to snatch His Bride out, the church. Then we see, 2 Thessalonians 2:8-10,
8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

There is one coming "whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

Wow Paul and His dispensational teaching.

2 Corinthians 2:10-12,

10 "To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ;
11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
12 Furthermore, when I came to Troas to preach Christ's gospel, and a door was opened unto me of the Lord,"

Satan can gain an advantage on believers Paul says, but the Lord can overrule satan and open doors.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

13 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

Satan can deceive by making himself into a messenger of light. So too can his ministers be transformed and preach as if they have honey dripping from their mouth's and I have seen a few of those and rejected them.

Acts 26:17-19,
17 "Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:"

Satan has an influence upon all that are unbelievers and this world. We see that as a witness for Christ we are to help the unbeliever and to "turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan." Satan has a great influence upon this world Scripture makes it very clear.

We are now under Christ if we have received Him as our savior because we have received the indwelling Holy Spirit and when we have confessed our sin we are filled with the Holy Spirit so that we are controlled by and influenced and walk by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Not so with the unbeliever.

Ephesians 2:1-3,

1 "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."

Notice that satan is the prince and power of the air, that word in the Greek is atmosphere which is the earth's atmosphere, he is the Prince. So Icon define what Prince means!

Jesus said it himself,

John 14:29-31,

9 "And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence."

Satan was coming to bring Christ death, His influence upon those who crucified Him. But, Jesus called satan "the prince of this world."

So do you believe that since Jesus taught that satan was the prince of the world, Paul also taught it so does this apply to them? " any person that denies the Lord Jesus Christ rules obviously is not going to be able to understand the scripture at all" For Jesus said satan was "the prince of the world" Paul said it too so do they fit into your statement?

Jesus has made us Revelation 1:6, "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

So we have authority too because of our faith in Christ, yet satan is called the prince of this world and the prince of the air, that hasn't changed.

 

Revmac

Jesus rules the world I live in.Satan is a defeated enemy.
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST rules over everything in Heaven and earth.

All biblical Christians have been translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light.

I read in scripture that unbelievers will not confess Jesus as Lord and they deny He reigns .

Rev 12 outlines how satan attempted but failed to prevent the birth of the male child.Satan failed in lk4 to stop the Lord.Satan was defeated at the cross.