Featured The 70th Week of Daniels Prophecy

Some posters cannot let this scriptures pass because they have no position without forcing an anti christ to be found here.

it is obvious by the closed thread that some posters cannot understand Hebrews is for all Christians either.....so they resort to monster strawman argument s

 

yes...once dan 9 falls ...the whole dispensationalism idea is foiled......mt 21 and eph 2 put it in the grave.

Hebrews 12 speaks of us hearing from Jesus speaking from heaven....us receiving a Kingdom......now

 

We have been warned by our Apostle:

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:23, 25, 26

 

Daniel 9:24-27 from interlinear,

24 Sevens seventy he is segregated on people of you and on city of holiness of you to -to detain the transgression and to -to seal of and to – to finish bring of sins sin and to – to make propitiatory shelter of depravity and to – to bring of reighteousness of eons and to – to seal of visions and prophet and to - to anoint of holiness of holinesses


This is the key to the whole portion here, these things are "segregated on people of you and on city of holiness of you" The people of you Daniel's people and upon the "city of holiness of you" that would be Daniels peoples Holy City and that is Jerusalem.

We go back to the question when have the Jews and Jerusalem seen the following:

to detain the transgression - So you believe the Jewish people have seen the detaining of their transgression as well as Jerusalem?

and to -to seal of and to – to finish bring of sins sin - And you see that the Jews and Jerusalem have see an end to sin.

and to – to make propitiatory shelter of depravity - And you see that the Jews as a people have accepted the propitiatory shelter of depravity that is the sacrificial blood of Christ and it affected the city too?

and to – to bring of reighteousness of eons - And you see that the Jews have righteousness which is everlasting and the city, which the Hebrew word used for Everlasting is "owlam" which means long duration ,antiquity, futurity, for ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old ancient, world, ad you see that the Jews and the Holy City Jerusalem have received these?


and to – to seal of visions and prophet and to - to seal prophecy you believe the Prophecy for the Jews as well as God's promises to them have been sealed and therefore God will not fulfill what He promised for the Jewish people and the City of Jerusalem? What would that make God if He fails to carry out one Promise HE made to the Jewish people and for their, Daniels Holy City?

- to anoint of holiness of holinesses - To anoint the Holiness of Holinesses, you believe that the Holy of Holy's exist today and has been anointed? That would mean that the Temple exist for the Holiness of Holinesses to be anointed it must exist and right now it doesn't exist. But it will in the 1000 year Kingdom.

So do you believe all of this has been "segregated on people of you and on city of holiness of you" that upon Daniel's people thus the Jews as a people and the city Jerusalem?

 

We saw in verse 24 from the interlinear that all these things must happen to the People of Daniel and to the Holy City of Daniel which is Jerusalem and that just has not occurred, now let's pick back up with the interlinear,

25 and you shall know and you shall be intelligent from faring forth of word to return of and to build of Jerusalem until anointed one governor sevens seven and sevens sixty and two she shall return and she is built square and salient and in constraint of the eras

From the command to rebuild Jerusalem until the anonited one comes shall be sevens seven and sevens sixty and two, in others words 69 weeks, that makes it 483 years.


26 and after the sevens sixty and two he shall be cut off anointed on and there is no to him and the city and the sanctuary he shall ruin people of the governor the one coming and end of him in overflowing and until end war being decided ones being desolate.

And after the sevens sixty and two, that is the hinder part of the 69th week the anointed one would be cutoff in other words at the end of the 69th week, the Messiah would be cutoff. Many Bible Scholars have gone back and shown that Christ Triumphal entry, the day we call Palm Sunday, the day in which Christ entered the City and offered Himself as the Messiah, only a few days later He was crucified that is cutoff during at the hinder part of the 483rd year, not in the 486 1/2th year nor was it the 490th year, it was the 483rd year the hinder part of that year and that fulfilled Daniels prophecy.

Then we see that "the people of the governor the one coming and end of him in overflowing and until end war being decided ones being desolate."

The Roman armies came and destroyed Jerusalem A.D. 70 but we must see verse 27 occur,

27 and he has mastery covenant to the many ones seven one and half of the seven he shall cause to cease sacrifice and present offering and on wing of abominations one making desolate and until finish and one being decided she shall be poured forth on one being desolate.

The governor of the people who will come "he has mastery covenant to the many ones seven." That is he makes a mastery covenant over many people for seven years, that is he becomes the dictator over many. But during that 7 year covenant, "one and half of the seven he shall cause to cease sacrifice and present offering and on wing of abominations one making desolate."
This is very clear what we see in Revelation 6-19, the dictator comes presenting peace.
Revelation Chapter 6:2 “And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.”
We see the Horsemen come. The first on a white horse. He has a bow in his hand. A crown on his head. He goes forth conquering and to conquer. The white horse symbolizes peace and victory. The rider is the Beast of the Revived Roman Empire."

This is the governor who comes to make the mastery covenant with many and breaks that covenant of peace 3 1/2 years into it. This cannot be Christ

 

So if I failed you fail too, several line spaces differentiate my comments from the interlinear, that should be clear to almost anyone.

This is Michigan-Claremont-Westminster Electronic Hebrew Bible, interlinear. Also checked against and they used the BHS,

Now in verse 24 in the strongs based on the BHS the word people is from Hebrew 'am meaning, nation, people, person's member's of one's people, compatriot's, country men, kinsman, kindred, so guess who these things concern, Daniel's national people and his KINDRED. Again you have shown no scriptural reference to where all these things have occurred for the nation of Daniel, that is Israel.
The word tamam used for as in the KJV means to be finished, to be completed, so when has Israel's sin as a nation been completed, been finished?

Then there is the word Kaphar which in the KJV is the word reconciliation, and means to cover, purge to make and atonement, so when was nation Israel iniquity atoned for and therefore forgiven and she restored as a nation?

Then we see 'olam everlasting, perpetual, so when has national Israel ever received a perpetual righteousness?

Then the word chatham to seal, seal up affix a seal, when has Israel had the prophecy concerning all things sealed up, Paul stated God was not through with Her, Prophecy for her must be carried out and literally fulfilled, it has not been sealed up, if so when?

When has the qodseh Holy as the Holy city, and the most Holy, it means several agents are sacred, it can mean the holiness of God, Holiness of places, such as Jerusalem here and of things as we saw in the interlinear, the Holy of Holiness.

Then in verse 27 we see the word beriyth covenant or alliance, or pledge, between men in a treaty, or ordinance between a monarch to subjects, it can also be between God and man thus a covenant with many for one echad has several meanings including one but here is an interesting one, a certain. Followed by shabua, seven a period of seven this is not the word heptad which means sevens of seven, but a period of 7 or a week of sevens. But we are told in the midst that is chetsiy half or middle, he will break the covenant of peace and overspread the obinations he shallll make it desolate even until the kalah consumation in the KJV, means completion or termination, full end. The charat to cut or sharpen used as determined in the KJV, shall be nathak to pour out shamem to be desolate, what is made desolate?

The covenant between the governor and the many, and it involves the sacrifices that are being made. So this again would show that if this is Christ, then HE violates a 7 year covenant or it is the anti-christ who violates the peace covenant and sets up that which completes the desolation of the Temple.

You say it is Christ who breaks the covenant and makes the Holy of Holies desolate. Yet these seventy weeks were to bring Israel as a nation to salvation and complete her having been set aside as a nation, the anointing of the Holy of Holies as we see in verse 24, so which is it to you?

Is Christ going to break a covenant and destroy the peace treaty or is it the anti-christ?

 

where in this thread have you posted scripture where these 6 conditions were accomplished?

 

In the other thread post 143 I did respond to them you just ignored or missed them.

The last point #5 shows how God has progressively dealt with mankind. He dealt with the Jews through prophecy and sacrifice. He deals with us by having the Holy Spirit indwell us and show us scripture.

 

So explain this:
From the BHS interlinear,

24 Sevens seventy he is segregated on people of you and on city of holiness of you to -to detain the transgression and to -to seal of and to – to finish bring of sins sin and to – to make propitiatory shelter of depravity and to – to bring of reighteousness of eons and to – to seal of visions and prophet and to - to anoint of holiness of holinesses.

Who are the people of you in this passage?

Whose people are they?

 

Post #10 is revmwc's post. Both of you have posted in red.

Regardless, the thread was closed before you had a chance to respond to the last post:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2231411&postcount=261

Part of which is here:

The most important thing to understand is the context.
70 weeks are determined upon THY people and THY holy city.

Who were those people and whose city was it?
That answer is obvious. Since the people of Daniel are the nation of Israel we know that the following phrases in verse 24 do not have to do with the benefits of the cross nor the imputation of righteousness. They have to do with the fulfillment of promises directly related to the nation of Israel--the people of Daniel.

When one takes away the context of the passage they are bound to come to a wrong conclusion.