Tullian Tchividjian Back in Active Ministry

[agedman]

They are unsupported...where is the link? Where are quotes from those directly involved?


God bless.

Seriously, you have been arguing with out knowing the facts?

Look at this statement he recently made, "While trying to find someone or something outside of me to blame for my sin seemed to promise freedom, it only delivered deeper slavery." (underlining mine)

Try this: Christianity today article

Try this: Paul Tripp

Try this: Miami Herald

Try this: Tullian Tchividjian

Try this: Tullian Tchividjian

 

[Darrell C]

Hence why I said "at least". What we DO know is there were at least 2 in this marriage. That IS our business when we discuss what is the Biblical thing to do in response.

So was one of those adulteries before hers?


God bless.

 

[agedman]

We do not need to know if it one or ten thousand. Its none of our business.

Show me by Scripture that it is not "our business."

We are all part of the body of Christ.

Sin in ANY assembly is a shame to the whole.

 

[blessedwife318]

More false witness, but what is false witness if one doesn't view adultery as always wrong.

Who on this thread doesn't think adultery is always wrong?

Most people on this tread have been very adamant about everyone being responsible for their own sins.
Her sin is her sin.
His sin is his sin.

So who said that adultery is not always wrong? I would love to see that quote.

 

[blessedwife318]

You excused her sin by not directly condemning her actions as culpable and being sin and instead deflecting to his own failure as a leader.

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And this same statement can be turned around to you.
You excuse his sin by not directly condemning his actions as culpable and being sin, and instead deflecting to her failings for cheating on him.

 

[agedman]

His OWN WORDS make lie of what he has done.

"What typically happens when a Christian leader falls is that they disappear and only reappear when they're strong and shiny again. No one ever sees them in their broken and weakened condition. When we do this, we send the message that Christianity is only for good and strong and clean people. But believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. It is, rather, good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good." Tullian Tchividjian

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Yet, he would "hide" in another church serving as "director of ministry" rather than staying in the assembly in which he was discovered, dealing with the fallout, learning to be an example to others of what happens to the fallen, and eventually if God grants and the church agrees be restored in some measure.

 

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
They are unsupported...where is the link? Where are quotes from those directly involved?


God bless.

Seriously, you have been arguing with out knowing the facts?

Look at this statement he recently made, "While trying to find someone or something outside of me to blame for my sin seemed to promise freedom, it only delivered deeper slavery." (underlining mine)

Try this: Christianity today article

Try this: Paul Tripp

Try this: Miami Herald

Try this: Tullian Tchividjian

Try this: Tullian Tchividjian

Read them all. Still waiting for substantiation of the basis for your condemnation.

You want to tell me where Coral Ridge demanded he stay in their fellowship?

Or admit you are unjustly condemning his as well as the fellowship and their leadership that he has rejoined?

It is not surprising that a Pastor who has resigned...leaves.

How many Pastors will, after public disgrace...stay?

You have not met your burden.


God bless.

 

[blessedwife318]

His OWN WORDS make lie of what he has done.

"What typically happens when a Christian leader falls is that they disappear and only reappear when they're strong and shiny again. No one ever sees them in their broken and weakened condition. When we do this, we send the message that Christianity is only for good and strong and clean people. But believe it or not, Christianity is not about good people getting better. It is, rather, good news for bad people coping with their failure to be good." Tullian Tchividjian

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Yet, he would "hide" in another church serving as "director of ministry" rather than staying in the assembly in which he was discovered, dealing with the fallout, learning to be an example to others of what happens to the fallen, and eventually if God grants and the church agrees be restored in some measure.

You made a good point there. I had not thought about it but he is hiding in this new church so to speak.

 

[agedman]

How to be restored in IFB circles:

Restored

Moral failings shouldn't be even rumored as occurring in the assembly much less actually taking place!

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people." Eph. 5
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[Revmitchell]

Show me by Scripture that it is not "our business."

We are all part of the body of Christ.

Sin in ANY assembly is a shame to the whole.

That does not justify the gossip. Can you show me in scripture that it is our business based on your logic?


1Thessalonians 4:11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you,

1 Timothy 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.

2 Thessalonians 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.

 

[Darrell C]

Who on this thread doesn't think adultery is always wrong?

Most people on this tread have been very adamant about everyone being responsible for their own sins.
Her sin is her sin.
His sin is his sin.

So who said that adultery is not always wrong? I would love to see that quote.

You:

Oh he has made sure that everyone knows about his wife's part in this breakup. But that is no excuse for HIS sin. HE cheated on his wife and it doesn't matter that she cheated first, HIS sin is HIS sin.

Now it's your turn: quote me excusing anyone's sin.

Last post to you until you do.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

How to be restored in IFB circles:

Restored

Moral failings shouldn't be even rumored as occurring in the assembly much less actually taking place!

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people." Eph. 5
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Now, as I asked you for, let's see a direct statement from the leadership of that Church itself:

The church explained that decision in an online statement:


In order to continue to protect Pastor Tullian and his family, as well as the integrity of the message he preached, we have decided to pull his sermons for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, we have already seen the misuse of his messages in the media and on the Internet. We will be prayerfully considering how and when they can be available again at an appropriate time so that they can be used to declare and demonstrate the liberating power of the Gospel. We appreciate your patience and prayers during this time.

Seems like you stand alone in your complete and utter condemnation of this fellow.

God bless.

 

[blessedwife318]

Originally Posted by blessedwife318 View Post
Who on this thread doesn't think adultery is always wrong?

Most people on this tread have been very adamant about everyone being responsible for their own sins.
Her sin is her sin.
His sin is his sin.

So who said that adultery is not always wrong? I would love to see that quote.

You:

Quote:

Originally Posted by blessedwife318 View Post
Oh he has made sure that everyone knows about his wife's part in this breakup. But that is no excuse for HIS sin. HE cheated on his wife and it doesn't matter that she cheated first, HIS sin is HIS sin.

Now it's your turn: quote me excusing anyone's sin.

Last post to you until you do.

That is rich coming from you, after you have been all over Annsni for suggesting that her sin was a result of a failure on his part. You rightly noted that there is no excuse for her sin. But then when I point out that he has not excuse for his sin you jump all over me for ignoring his wife sin.

Just as you have rightly pointed out that his failings would not matter when it came to her sin, I was right when I pointed out that her failings do not matter when it comes to his sin,
She is responsible for her sin, regardless of any action on his part.
He is responsible for his sin, regardless of any action on her part.
I cannot believe that it is that hard to understand, everyone is responsible for their own sin.

So again I ask you to quote me saying that adultery is not always wrong.

As far as quoting you, I could just point to every time you have interacted with me, or had my bolded quote for all the world to see, and you argue that against everyone being responsible for their own sin. Every time you have brought up her sin you are arguing that her sin excuse his.

To turn your quote back to you

You excused her sin by not directly condemning her actions as culpable and being sin and instead deflecting to his own failure as a leader.

You excuse his sin by not directly condemning his actions as culpable and being sin, and instead deflecting to her failings for cheating on him

 

[annsni]

So where is this documented? I am assuming one of them was prior to hers?


God bless.

His own statement to the Washington Post

“I resigned from my position at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church today due to ongoing marital issues. As many of you know, I returned from a trip a few months back and discovered that my wife was having an affair. Heartbroken and devastated, I informed our church leadership and requested a sabbatical to focus exclusively on my marriage and family. As her affair continued, we separated. Sadly and embarrassingly, I subsequently sought comfort in a friend and developed an inappropriate relationship myself. Last week I was approached by our church leaders and they asked me about my own affair. I admitted to it and it was decided that the best course of action would be for me to resign. Both my wife and I are heartbroken over our actions and we ask you to pray for us and our family that God would give us the grace we need to weather this heart wrenching storm. We are amazingly grateful for the team of men and women who are committed to walking this difficult path with us. Please pray for the healing of deep wounds and we kindly ask that you respect our privacy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...florida-megachurch-after-admitting-an-affair/

Interestingly enough, he began his response in a right way. He asked for a sabbatical to focus on his family and his marriage. Had he not had an affair, I believe he would have had a lot of support had he continued on this path.

 

[agedman]

Read them all. Still waiting for substantiation of the basis for your condemnation.

You want to tell me where Coral Ridge demanded he stay in their fellowship?

Or admit you are unjustly condemning his as well as the fellowship and their leadership that he has rejoined?

It is not surprising that a Pastor who has resigned...leaves.

How many Pastors will, after public disgrace...stay?

You have not met your burden.


God bless.

Oh my but you are so quick to desire some to "admit" and "unjustly condemn" yet when it is shown that they have not are not willing to "admit" to having "unjustly condemned."


I gave you a start. I am under no obligation to meet what YOU consider is MY burden much less your own.

I am not about to do your work for you.

You are welcome to do your own research before you contend.

You can start with this from the PCA's South Florida Presbytery

You can also start with this statement made by a Coral Ridge spokesman:

But, you will undoubtedly see some way that those, on this thread who have opposed your views, will have to "admit" to "unjustly condemn(ing).


Certainly, it is common of those who are embarrassed and ashamed to cut, run and hide. That is just the same reaction Adam and Eve had.

What makes the true believer different is that they have Christ who will not cleanse them above what they are able to grow through. Who will by such cleansing and forgiveness work all things to the believers good.

Pride came and destruction followed the footsteps.

 

[annsni]

You excused her sin by not directly condemning her actions as culpable and being sin and instead deflecting to his own failure as a leader.

That is how.

No misrepresentation of truth, just the public statement you have made.

And you still have not commented on your fellow members' statements.

Again, do you agree with their statements which clearly overlook her sin? Or will you call that an erroneous view of sin as I do.


God bless.

I don't see anyone saying that her actions were right. I do believe the subject of this thread is "Tullian Tchividjian back in active ministry" and not "Tullian Tchividjian's wife is back in active ministry".

 

[agedman]

That does not justify the gossip. Can you show me in scripture that it is our business based on your logic?


1Thessalonians 4:11 and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you,

1 Timothy 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.

2 Thessalonians 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.

First, I do "work with my hands" and do not "walk in idleness." I "aspire to live quietly, and (to) mind (my) own affairs."

Thank you.

Those verses have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nor do they apply to discussing the start, during, after, impact, results, and future of a ministry or minister who has moral failure.

That the situation revolves around a thread on one individual does not mean that the applications teased out in the discussion are not warnings, guides, and edification for the readers.

 

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
So where is this documented? I am assuming one of them was prior to hers?


God bless.

His own statement to the Washington Post

“I resigned from my position at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church today due to ongoing marital issues. As many of you know, I returned from a trip a few months back and discovered that my wife was having an affair. Heartbroken and devastated, I informed our church leadership and requested a sabbatical to focus exclusively on my marriage and family. As her affair continued, we separated. Sadly and embarrassingly, I subsequently sought comfort in a friend and developed an inappropriate relationship myself. Last week I was approached by our church leaders and they asked me about my own affair. I admitted to it and it was decided that the best course of action would be for me to resign. Both my wife and I are heartbroken over our actions and we ask you to pray for us and our family that God would give us the grace we need to weather this heart wrenching storm. We are amazingly grateful for the team of men and women who are committed to walking this difficult path with us. Please pray for the healing of deep wounds and we kindly ask that you respect our privacy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...florida-megachurch-after-admitting-an-affair/

Interestingly enough, he began his response in a right way. He asked for a sabbatical to focus on his family and his marriage. Had he not had an affair, I believe he would have had a lot of support had he continued on this path.

Interestingly enough...you still do not show a documented statement that states he was having an affair before hers.

That is what was asked for.

God bless.

 

[blessedwife318]

Interestingly enough...you still do not show a documented statement that states he was having an affair before hers.

That is what was asked for.

God bless.

No one said he had an affair before her. What was said was that we know there have been at least 2 affairs.
Her is number 1
His is number 2

She gave you documentation for those 2 affairs.

 

[agedman]

You excused her sin by not directly condemning her actions as culpable and being sin and instead deflecting to his own failure as a leader.

Her actions are a way in which the man could shift the focus, to blame others for HIS own sin. This the man admitted in public statement which you claim to have read.

HE was a failure as a leader. She was not.

To contend that in some manner her actions should be taken into account is "misrepresentation of the truth."

NNE is making some wild claim that her sin is not sinful.

What IS the claim is that HER sin did not dissolve his ministry and remove his credentials.