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By the way, Aaron, explain how this...


1 Corinthians 2:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.


...makes this passage exclusive to His Person (which again cannot be made exclusive to the Redemptive Plan)?

 

The pre-tribulation-dispensationalists make the Church, for which Jesus Christ shed his blood, a failure! I see no Scripture that teaches Jesus Christ died for the nation of Israel. GOD saves people as individuals, period!

 

"Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief."

 

Your original point:

You are coming to the passage with dispensational presuppositions. You are saying the Devil did not know God's plan, and God by necessity had to engage in a covert operation to accomplished His purposes.

Satan did not know God's plan? He knew Christ had to suffer in Jerusalem for the salvation of His elect, and tempted Him to abandon that path.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.​

The Apostle's point is that man by his corrupt, natural wisdom can discern neither Christ's Person nor His Wisdom. The princes spoken of are not devils. They are gods ("Have I not said in your law, Ye are gods?"), men in positions of wisdom and honor. But were the Person and Wisdom of God discernible by nature, they would not have corrupted justice and consented to Christ's execution.

There is nothing Dispensational whatever in the passage you take as one of its pillars.

 

Did God establish Jesus as Lord over Isreal though yet?

 

God promised that natioanl isreal would have the messiah enthroned over them in his messianic reign, when has that happened then?

 

What did Peter declare?

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ

 

Is GOD on HIS Throne?

 

Excellent response Icon [and OR]. But it probably falls on deaf ears with Yesh.

 

Do you ever support anything you say with Scripture?

 

Nothing like the Bible to clear things up, assuming they care!

 

No. This is his third persona on this board and I don't recall one post made of the three that ever used scripture. It's like 3 empty clanging bells.

 

Empty clanging bells? Empty clanging bells you say???

No one can put things in perspective like a refugee from Bloody Breathitt!

 

OK then, a Spam sandwich with no Spam.

 

And he also stated that same jesus was to remain in heaven until that isreal was ready to say "blessed is he who comes in name of the Lord", and receive him as messiah and King!

That would bring about world restoration...

 

Is he on the throne of David, ruling from the city of Jerusalem, with a rod of iron, bringing peace over all the nations, bringing them under subjection to him.

 

Yes. His kingdom is not of this world and is not seen with the eye and the Zion He rules from cannot be touched with the hand. At His next coming:

23....Christ`s, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. 1 Cor 15

He has reigned already and the kingdom has been already at His coming. The resurrection/translation (rapture) occurs and the last enemy death will be abolished.

 

He has reigned already? When? Where? Who saw him?
He came as a suffering servant and was executed as a common criminal.
Do you call that reigning.
You say that in the past tense. He reigned already. Show in history where and when he reigned.

 

He reigns NOW. His kingdom is not of this world and is not seen with the eye and the Zion He rules from cannot be touched with the hand.

 

:applause: AMEN....:thumbs: