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In which "Millennial Camp" was ....

Darrell C

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1) No one reads tomes.



2) Not surprised. It's merit is not diminished by one's lack of perception.


By the way, Aaron, explain how this...


1 Corinthians 2:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.



...makes this passage exclusive to His Person (which again cannot be made exclusive to the Redemptive Plan)?
 

OldRegular

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Riddlebarger quotes George Ladd:

"The futurist view has taken two forms which we may call the moderate and extreme futurist views. The latter is also known as Dispensationalism.... A moderate futurist view differs from the extreme futurist view at several points. It finds no reason, as does the latter, to distinguish sharply between Israel and the church."

Riddlebarger adds:

"According to this definition, dispensationalists are thoroughgoing futurists, while historic premillennialists and progressive dispensationalists tend to be moderate futurists."

The pre-tribulation-dispensationalists make the Church, for which Jesus Christ shed his blood, a failure! I see no Scripture that teaches Jesus Christ died for the nation of Israel. GOD saves people as individuals, period!
 

Aaron

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By the way, Aaron, explain how this...


1 Corinthians 2:8

King James Version (KJV)

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.



...makes this passage exclusive to His Person (which again cannot be made exclusive to the Redemptive Plan)?
Your original point:
The simple point Paul makes is that if the princes of this world had understood that Christ's death would do the opposite of what it was intended (silence Christ), they would not have put Christ to death, and in fact Satan would have assigned the greatest security detail this world could possibly know to keep Christ from any harm, so that they could keep him from the Cross.

Aren't we glad that God in His wisdom knew what He was doing in keeping the Gospel a Mystery?
You are coming to the passage with dispensational presuppositions. You are saying the Devil did not know God's plan, and God by necessity had to engage in a covert operation to accomplished His purposes.

Satan did not know God's plan? He knew Christ had to suffer in Jerusalem for the salvation of His elect, and tempted Him to abandon that path.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.​

The Apostle's point is that man by his corrupt, natural wisdom can discern neither Christ's Person nor His Wisdom. The princes spoken of are not devils. They are gods ("Have I not said in your law, Ye are gods?"), men in positions of wisdom and honor. But were the Person and Wisdom of God discernible by nature, they would not have corrupted justice and consented to Christ's execution.

There is nothing Dispensational whatever in the passage you take as one of its pillars.
 

Yeshua1

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The pre-tribulation-dispensationalists make the Church, for which Jesus Christ shed his blood, a failure! I see no Scripture that teaches Jesus Christ died for the nation of Israel. GOD saves people as individuals, period!

Did God establish Jesus as Lord over Isreal though yet?
 

Yeshua1

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Very well said Aaron and as usual you make your points with a minimum of words! It is indeed a mystery why anyone would want to dig up that which Jesus Christ buried!

God promised that natioanl isreal would have the messiah enthroned over them in his messianic reign, when has that happened then?
 

OldRegular

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No. This is his third persona on this board and I don't recall one post made of the three that ever used scripture. It's like 3 empty clanging bells.

Empty clanging bells? Empty clanging bells you say???

No one can put things in perspective like a refugee from Bloody Breathitt!
 

Yeshua1

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What did Peter declare?

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ

And he also stated that same jesus was to remain in heaven until that isreal was ready to say "blessed is he who comes in name of the Lord", and receive him as messiah and King!

That would bring about world restoration...
 

kyredneck

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Is he on the throne of David, ruling from the city of Jerusalem, with a rod of iron, bringing peace over all the nations, bringing them under subjection to him.

Yes. His kingdom is not of this world and is not seen with the eye and the Zion He rules from cannot be touched with the hand. At His next coming:

23....Christ`s, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. 1 Cor 15

He has reigned already and the kingdom has been already at His coming. The resurrection/translation (rapture) occurs and the last enemy death will be abolished.
 

DHK

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Yes. His kingdom is not of this world and is not seen with the eye and the Zion He rules from cannot be touched with the hand. At His next coming:

23....Christ`s, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death. 1 Cor 15

He has reigned already and the kingdom has been already at His coming. The resurrection/translation (rapture) occurs and the last enemy death will be abolished.
He has reigned already? When? Where? Who saw him?
He came as a suffering servant and was executed as a common criminal.
Do you call that reigning.
You say that in the past tense. He reigned already. Show in history where and when he reigned.
 
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